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Post by evilhomer on May 19, 2024 0:07:18 GMT -5
I was watching the Roman Reigns biography. They put a great deal of time into the part of Roman's career where, let's be honest, he sucked. He could not get over, he was not a good character, it just wasn't working. During this segment, they put a great deal of emphasis on the "suffering succotash" promo because that just summed up the point that he wasn't being himself, he was doing scripted promos, it wasn't natural and wasn't working.
So my question is - how did this phrase make it into a promo? I understand how it could come up in a writing segment, it's a brainstorming session and someone blurts it out probably as a joke because they were watching loony tunes the night before. But how did it go from a joke to an actual promo line? Did someone lose their mind and believe that this would be the next great catchphrase? Was it a test of Roman's loyalty/obedience to see how awful he would allow himself to be? Was it a dare? Was it a joke? Did somebody screw up and think that this was supposed to be put in the promo?
Has the true story of how something so god awful came to be ever been revealed?
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Post by Chiral on May 19, 2024 0:14:10 GMT -5
I imagine it was something like the time Mox found out he had a line about pooper scoopers in a promo and had to go through a hellish series of weird bureaucratic hangups to maybe get the line out of the promo, from running around backstage trying to find out who wrote it, trying to get it out before Vince saw it because if he saw it it was guaranteed staying in (if I'm remembering his story right from the podcast he talked about it on). Some dumb line that got in there that was in sync with the Vince Vibes™ that ended up staying in that pleased no one but a geriatric doofus.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 19, 2024 0:55:49 GMT -5
Vince was an insane old person which meant a lot of material was either dreamt up by Vince so deep in his bubble that he couldn't fathom how unbelievably lame it sounded, or someone who wanted to curry favor with the boss slipped it in to get Vince to approve it. This wasn't a test or a rib, it was incompetence and detachment from reality. WWE promos for years didn't sound like anything adjacent to how anyone ever speaks because the main guy writing the show no longer interacted with real people.
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Post by Andew9001 on May 19, 2024 1:27:32 GMT -5
Becausr dammit pal Looney Tunes are over!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 19, 2024 1:50:03 GMT -5
I imagine it was something like the time Mox found out he had a line about pooper scoopers in a promo and had to go through a hellish series of weird bureaucratic hangups to maybe get the line out of the promo, from running around backstage trying to find out who wrote it, trying to get it out before Vince saw it because if he saw it it was guaranteed staying in (if I'm remembering his story right from the podcast he talked about it on). Some dumb line that got in there that was in sync with the Vince Vibes™ that ended up staying in that pleased no one but a geriatric doofus. I have to imagine by the time he had to deal with being offended by odor to the point he had to wear a gas mask and having to take a booster shot to the ass on live television he had given up on trying to get out of this shit, sounded like pure hell lol
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Post by DichEvans on May 19, 2024 2:03:20 GMT -5
I was watching the Roman Reigns biography. They put a great deal of time into the part of Roman's career where, let's be honest, he sucked. He could not get over, he was not a good character, it just wasn't working. During this segment, they put a great deal of emphasis on the "suffering succotash" promo because that just summed up the point that he wasn't being himself, he was doing scripted promos, it wasn't natural and wasn't working. So my question is - how did this phrase make it into a promo? I understand how it could come up in a writing segment, it's a brainstorming session and someone blurts it out probably as a joke because they were watching loony tunes the night before. But how did it go from a joke to an actual promo line? Did someone lose their mind and believe that this would be the next great catchphrase? Was it a test of Roman's loyalty/obedience to see how awful he would allow himself to be? Was it a dare? Was it a joke? Did somebody screw up and think that this was supposed to be put in the promo? Has the true story of how something so god awful came to be ever been revealed? Just Vince. I would read/listen to Mox's biography. He has similar stories about being given massively outdated jargon to put in his promo and when he talked to the writers about various weird lines, he was always told those lines came directly from Vince.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 19, 2024 5:59:45 GMT -5
Becausr dammit pal Looney Tunes are over! Looney Tunes are awesome, but it's not something you try to crowbar into a wrestling context like this.
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Post by Nosnorb on May 19, 2024 6:32:00 GMT -5
Becausr dammit pal Looney Tunes are over! Looney Tunes are awesome, but it's not something you try to crowbar into a wrestling context like this. The Rock used Sufferin' succotash in a promo he cut on Booker T, but that dude could make almost anything work.
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Post by thirteen3 on May 19, 2024 7:18:37 GMT -5
Looney Tunes are awesome, but it's not something you try to crowbar into a wrestling context like this. The Rock used Sufferin' succotash in a promo he cut on Booker T, but that dude could make almost anything work. In hindsight this such a Brain Gerwirtz line. Was he not brought back for a while back then in order to get Roman over like The Rock?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 19, 2024 7:31:18 GMT -5
Vince McMahon is a f***ing idiot who lucked into his success for the most part. only explanation that anyone needs.
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Post by THE FVNKER on May 19, 2024 7:35:00 GMT -5
It makes you wonder why they scripted so much back then (I’m not watching now but I guess they don’t anymore?)
There seems to be a lot of evidence showing that the talents have way more measurable success when they are sort of talking their own way. Roman, Mox and others I’m sure.
Until someone is speaking at least somewhat authentically to their real life personality, it almost always comes off as forced, corny and fake.
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Post by Dub H on May 19, 2024 7:50:58 GMT -5
It makes you wonder why they scripted so much back then (I’m not watching now but I guess they don’t anymore?) There seems to be a lot of evidence showing that the talents have way more measurable success when they are sort of talking their own way. Roman, Mox and others I’m sure. Until someone is speaking at least somewhat authentically to their real life personality, it almost always comes off as forced, corny and fake. Short answer? Vince is a control freak
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 19, 2024 8:04:34 GMT -5
It makes you wonder why they scripted so much back then (I’m not watching now but I guess they don’t anymore?) There seems to be a lot of evidence showing that the talents have way more measurable success when they are sort of talking their own way. Roman, Mox and others I’m sure. Until someone is speaking at least somewhat authentically to their real life personality, it almost always comes off as forced, corny and fake. For years the guys who were considered great promo guys in WWE were also the dudes who had the most leeway to make adjustments to their promos. Not a coincidence.
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Post by Psicofreak667 on May 19, 2024 10:22:28 GMT -5
There was also the thing how whenever Roman said anything that got even a mild pop, WWE writers would pounce on it and grind it into the dirt until it couldn't get any lamer if it tried.
See also: Tater tots.
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Post by Stu on May 19, 2024 10:27:49 GMT -5
Read the thread title in Seinfeld's voice.
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Post by evilhomer on May 19, 2024 13:17:02 GMT -5
Read the thread title in Seinfeld's voice. Yeah, I was trying to figure out how to phrase the question and the Seinfeld way was the only one I could come up with.
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Post by City Duck on May 19, 2024 13:18:43 GMT -5
VINCENT
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Post by Mozenrath on May 19, 2024 13:24:42 GMT -5
VINCENT KEEEENNEDDY MCMAAAAHON .... KENNEDYYYYYYY
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Post by jean0987654321 on May 20, 2024 2:11:45 GMT -5
Vince...
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 20, 2024 2:17:37 GMT -5
The short answer is - Vince.
The long answer is - well, we can only really speculate on this. But given Vince has one of the most blinkered worldviews that anybody has ever had - you know, like thinking nobody would think East Asian women are hot, only to be shocked to discover there is Asian porn - my guess is that since the WWE was trying to be kid friendly for most of the past couple of decades and they were trying to push Roman to be a hero to children like Cena was, that Vince thought 'hey, kids love Looney Tunes'. I'm honestly kinda shocked Roman didn't end up cutting a promo about ball in a cup.
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