Renslayer
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
every time i come around your city...
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Post by Renslayer on May 22, 2024 8:36:13 GMT -5
The power play might have been H letting the Rock go forward with it and watch the backlash ensue. There’s no way Hunter wanted his multi decade long real life rival insert himself in his 4 year storyline and emerge the victory. I think HHH knew what he was doing and what was gonna happen But that also sounds absolutely nonsensical, though? Like, why even risk anything like that for the sake of it potentially failing? What would happen if Cody did exactly what happened, Rock came out and the fans embraced it? You’re doing Rock/Roman at WrestleMania and Cody would be facing Drew McIntyre or a broken down Seth Rollins again because Punk would be out and because there’s zero good way of backtracking from that with a lot of money at stake. Like, I’m sorry, the more genius idea is to not amuse something that could backfire, you go with the option that causes less hassle. To add to that, H wants to put on a great show to fully cement that his time in charge will be great for fans and wrestlers. Letting your main events at one of the biggest shows in federation history crumble out of spite would've been catastrophic |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 22, 2024 8:59:48 GMT -5
But that also sounds absolutely nonsensical, though? Like, why even risk anything like that for the sake of it potentially failing? What would happen if Cody did exactly what happened, Rock came out and the fans embraced it? You’re doing Rock/Roman at WrestleMania and Cody would be facing Drew McIntyre or a broken down Seth Rollins again because Punk would be out and because there’s zero good way of backtracking from that with a lot of money at stake. Like, I’m sorry, the more genius idea is to not amuse something that could backfire, you go with the option that causes less hassle. To add to that, H wants to put on a great show to fully cement that his time in charge will be great for fans and wrestlers. Letting your main events at one of the biggest shows in federation history crumble out of spite would've been catastrophic TKO too, this would be the first WrestleMania without Vince's involvement since the proper founding of the company and basically doing everything they can to tell you things are better because he's not there (which you could argue backstage at least still has yet to show that but anyway). Doing what would essentially be a McMahon style petty move all for the sake of proving the point with billions on the line sounds demented to even try. It's just much easier to think it's incompetence that they remedied quickly than it being a conspiracy of sorts. |
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Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone.
Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 22, 2024 9:06:19 GMT -5
They’ve actually been quite lucky that they retconned Cody willingly giving up the title shot in kayfabe and the audience largely doesn’t care and are happy to pretend it never happened. If Cody had spent the segment fist pumping and trying to start Rocky chants the ‘We want Cody’ movement still happens but they might have to write a decent explanation for Cody’s actions. It's really amazing everyone just collectively agreed to pretend it never happened. Kinda like there's only ever been one Seymour Skinner. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 22, 2024 9:07:10 GMT -5
Before Punk got hurt, the plan was apparently for Cody to win the Rumble, choose Roman but then get a savage beating that injured him, forcing him to miss Mania. Rock would take the match with Roman, and Cody would win the title from Roman after Mania after his kayfabe injury had healed. Once Punk went down, they tried to figure out a way to do Cody-Rollins and Roman-Rock.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 22, 2024 9:07:49 GMT -5
They’ve actually been quite lucky that they retconned Cody willingly giving up the title shot in kayfabe and the audience largely doesn’t care and are happy to pretend it never happened. If Cody had spent the segment fist pumping and trying to start Rocky chants the ‘We want Cody’ movement still happens but they might have to write a decent explanation for Cody’s actions. It's really amazing everyone just collectively agreed to pretend it never happened. Kinda like there's only ever been one Seymour Skinner. Cody definitely brought it up later on in the build, although at first there was little mention of it. |
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Post by chronocross on May 23, 2024 15:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 23, 2024 16:25:15 GMT -5
Call me cynical but I wouldn't trust Brian if he told me tomorrow is Friday. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 23, 2024 16:44:35 GMT -5
It's still Gerwitz to me, dammit!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 24, 2024 5:20:24 GMT -5
He also said this during the interview But, like…I wasn’t watching the product but everything I heard was that people were ready for Cody because they know full well from the build to the Rumble, there wasn’t really anyone else. You could argue Punk but considering how much they were putting around Roman and the reactions Cody was getting, there wasn’t any logic to anyone but Cody doing it. Which then leaves me that the conspiracy theory about HHH trying to sabotage WrestleMania to prove a point when there’s zero good reason to do that from a viewer standpoint. Again, they were lucky the fans turned on the concept instead of on Cody and thinking he was the most goober to goober in Gooberville. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 24, 2024 7:47:37 GMT -5
Why is this f***er's name Gewirtz and not Gerwitz Wait how is his name Gewirtz and not Gerwitz what have I been doing all these years Funnily enough I actually knew it was pronounced Gewirtz, but just thought it was one of those things where the spelling and prenounciation are confusing |
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Post by chronocross on May 24, 2024 7:54:38 GMT -5
He also said this during the interview But, like…I wasn’t watching the product but everything I heard was that people were ready for Cody because they know full well from the build to the Rumble, there wasn’t really anyone else. You could argue Punk but considering how much they were putting around Roman and the reactions Cody was getting, there wasn’t any logic to anyone but Cody doing it. Which then leaves me that the conspiracy theory about HHH trying to sabotage WrestleMania to prove a point when there’s zero good reason to do that from a viewer standpoint. Again, they were lucky the fans turned on the concept instead of on Cody and thinking he was the most goober to goober in Gooberville. It's bonkers how they really thought Cody being sidelined from the main event would work out. Brian also walks back the comments about Cody not 100% endorsing Rock to challenge Roman by saying he couldn't expect him to be like he "won the Showcase Showdown on Price Is Right". He also mentioned that Rock called him at 4 in the morning to pitch the heel turn and claimed Rock was not upset by the fans reaction. I don't think he would admit it but I think the backlash bothered Rock as he thought he was going to be the conquering hero to save us all and the fans weren't buying that horseshit. |
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Post by Vincent Whiney on May 24, 2024 8:01:44 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad we got Final Boss Rock out of it because I think it's the best Rock's been in over 20 years, even if the promos went way too f***ing long. Rock will take the belt from Cody eventually, it's just delaying what he wanted anyways. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 24, 2024 8:16:35 GMT -5
I don't think he would admit it but I think the backlash bothered Rock as he thought he was going to be the conquering hero to save us all and the fans weren't buying that horseshit. What I feel didn’t help as much was all of this coming after Black Adam’s terrible box office and everything published in the trades about Rock trying to put himself as the head of DC Films and how that backfired. I can’t imagine some fans not realizing that WWE getting Rock back was not only a move to stop people talking about Vince for a second but also as a way to rehab Rock’s career via the thing he was most known for. Regardless of how it went about, it sort of weirdly worked especially since people are talking about a Rock Oscar campaign (and also him peeing in cartons but anyway). |
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 24, 2024 8:42:18 GMT -5
I don't think he would admit it but I think the backlash bothered Rock as he thought he was going to be the conquering hero to save us all and the fans weren't buying that horseshit. What I feel didn’t help as much was all of this coming after Black Adam’s terrible box office and everything published in the trades about Rock trying to put himself as the head of DC Films and how that backfired. I can’t imagine some fans not realizing that WWE getting Rock back was not only a move to stop people talking about Vince for a second but also as a way to rehab Rock’s career via the thing he was most known for. Regardless of how it went about, it sort of weirdly worked especially since people are talking about a Rock Oscar campaign (and also him peeing in cartons but anyway). What percentage of the wrestling audience knows or cares about the behind the scenes workings of Black Adam? People loved The Rock when he came back and teased the head of the table stuff. They turned on him when it looked as though he was going to usurp Cody and then went back to loving him when he turned heel. It was Cody's popularity they underestimated, not whether wrestling fans still like The Rock (they definitely do). I don't know if I believe Brian's assertion that The Rock didn't mind the negative reaction. It seems to fly in the face of everything else you hear about him. However, he deserves a lot of credit for coming to terms with it over a weekend and turning it into something special. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 24, 2024 9:11:13 GMT -5
lWhat percentage of the wrestling audience knows or cares about the behind the scenes workings of Black Adam? Why do you think I said “some”? It might have been barely 0.1% for all I know but it’d be weird to say no WWE fans knew because it was posted about here when it came out. And also, Rock cut that promo before the reports came out so of course none of that was important. Sticking on that point kind of feels weird, really, when all I was saying was that “fans knew he was a phony and some had a bit more awareness of why along with them being Cody fans.” |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 24, 2024 11:29:38 GMT -5
"I really don't understand why Cody won the Rumble and then sandbagged the Rock segment given the direction we were going in"
Yeah you got played dude.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 24, 2024 11:43:49 GMT -5
"I really don't understand why Cody won the Rumble and then sandbagged the Rock segment given the direction we were going in" Yeah you got played dude. Touché to Triple H and/or Cody if they expected the backlash and sabotaged Rock-Roman from the get-go. |
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DichEvans
Samurai Cop
Lenny Lazy Lane Stinks
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Post by DichEvans on May 24, 2024 13:01:17 GMT -5
Death, taxes, Triple H being three steps ahead of Dwayne.
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XIII
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by XIII on May 24, 2024 14:08:02 GMT -5
The longer that the Rock, his massive ego, and his yes man personal booker stick around the worse off the WWE will be.
Go home Rock, you had your day but you suck now.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 24, 2024 17:28:01 GMT -5
Before Punk got hurt, the plan was apparently for Cody to win the Rumble, choose Roman but then get a savage beating that injured him, forcing him to miss Mania. Rock would take the match with Roman, and Cody would win the title from Roman after Mania after his kayfabe injury had healed. Once Punk went down, they tried to figure out a way to do Cody-Rollins and Roman-Rock. If this was truly the plan and say Cody was out until Summerslam. I wonder how bad the "Cody/Bitchalla" thread would've gotten. |
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