“nothing is original anymore, Hollywood out of ideas!”

[Lance Uppercut]

Is it just me, or this mindset getting kind of annoying?

I’m pretty sure we’ve been getting remakes, reboot, and stuff inspired by other stuff for years.

I think the explosion of home video in the 80s up to now (I include streaming as home video) just made it more easy for some people to watch old stuff and now we have more film buffs and “critics”.

I don’t think some people realize, not everyone has seen everything and don’t care if it’s a remake or based off an older story. sometimes, it’s nice to update an old idea. It has been 100 years of cinema and 70 years of tv. Stuff is gonna be recycled.

Also, anytime something new is tried, people get mad.

[hassanchop]

Originality and ideas matter not, the real thing that matters is ratings, and the bottom line which is




And then

[darbus alan]

Remakes and adaptations are nearly as old as Hollywood itself. It does feel like there's a lot more remakes banking on millennial nostalgia than in previous eras, but is that quantifiable or is it skewed perspective?

[WoodStoner1]

May 23, 2024 13:41:30 GMT -5 darbus alan said:

Remakes and adaptations are nearly as old as Hollywood itself. It does feel like there's a lot more remakes banking on millennial nostalgia than in previous eras, but is that quantifiable or is it skewed perspective?

It's kinda like the whole "Variety shows ALWAYS did (a certain kind of satire)!" Is it just glaring now for...reasons? Or that some of us want it to be glaring?

[Tiger Millionaire]

I call myself and people around my age the generation that never grew up. There has always been nostalgia, but not as much as it is now. I think there is just so much media and information out there that there is so much more.comfort in being familiar with a franchise.

[agent817]

I personally don't have a problem if something was to be remade because I have noticed that there are remakes that existed as far back as the 1960s and 1970s. Then you have remakes that were praised even in the 2000s, like "Dawn of the Dead." There are movies that some people don't realize that were remakes. I noted stuff like this in a thread I did about remakes and different adaptations.

However, I still laugh at when this lady online said that the 2018 "Tomb Raider" film was a remake, but I corrected her when I told her that the films were based on video games and that the 2018 film was based more on the 2010s games. She didn't know that "Tomb Raider" was a video game first.

[ace]

People who say this can simply…watch more independent movies. I see more original ideas carried out in indie horror now than at any time in the last few decades. The problem is that these people will never watch those movies because they are only interested in what is popular. The problem isn’t the movies…it’s the person.

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Last year I did do a comparison on the top 10 movies of the year, and indeed there were more remakes, sequels and adaptations over time.

It's how the big studios have booked themselves into a corner, Pixar is the only studio regularly creating successful new ideas.

But as pointed out, they are the films getting the big pushes, not the only ones. It's rare for most big Oscar movies to crack the list, let alone independent films so it's a bit trickier to find them but it can be done.

[hassanchop]

May 23, 2024 14:28:54 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

I call myself and people around my age the generation that never grew up. There has always been nostalgia, but not as much as it is now. I think there is just so much media and information out there that there is so much more.comfort in being familiar with a franchise.

I recall people in the 90s very nostalgic about the 60s and 70s in ads and some instances in TV

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

May 23, 2024 15:28:21 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

Last year I did do a comparison on the top 10 movies of the year, and indeed there were more remakes, sequels and adaptations over time.

It's how the big studios have booked themselves into a corner, Pixar is the only studio regularly creating successful new ideas.

But as pointed out, they are the films getting the big pushes, not the only ones. It's rare for most big Oscar movies to crack the list, let alone independent films so it's a bit trickier to find them but it can be done.

And that's basically the thing, studios now pumping so much money into productions combined with the decimation of post-theatrical revenue streams has made them incredibly risk-adverse.

Mid-budget cinema, which was often the most original and innovative, used to be the bread-and-butter of the major studios, filling out the calendar in between the one or two blockbuster releases. Now everything the majors put out has to be a blockbuster, so the mid-budget movies are all almost exclusively the domain of independent studios who don't necessarily have the ability to put those movies into theatres.

[Push R Truth]

I'm a simple man. I just want to see giant monsters performing professional wrestling moves to each other on the silver screen.

[cosmo]

I'm a horror fan, and I've heard of so many independently made movies released over the last few years that are praised as being absolute genre classics. Damn near most of the horror movies released by A24 lately have been like that. But when you watch them (and in my case, months after their theatrical releases because the only theaters they've played in are hours from where I live), they're overrated, pretentious mediocre movies that thinks it's better than it really is because they're "elevated horror" or whatever you want to call them.

But if you give me a bunch of new Friday the 13th movies, I will be first in f***ing line to see them.

[mcmahonfan85]

it doesn't help that Disney, a studio long known for their animated movies, now puts more emphasis on their live action remakes of animated movies than they do their new animated movies. this includes doing a remake of an animated movie that isn't even ten years old yet.

additionally, of their ten upcoming animated movies listed on (the always reliable) Wikipedia, seven are sequels

[cosmo]

May 23, 2024 17:10:15 GMT -5 mcmahonfan85 said:

it doesn't help that Disney, a studio long known for their animated movies, now puts more emphasis on their live action remakes of animated movies than they do their new animated movies. this includes doing a remake of an animated movie that isn't even ten years old yet.

additionally, of their ten upcoming animated movies listed on (the always reliable) Wikipedia, seven are sequels

And I wonder how many of them have so much CGI that they might as well have been animated anyway.

[mystermystery]

For me, it's not the idea, it's the way it's told.

That's why directors can be fun to follow, because you like the way they tell a story.

Heck, look at Yojimbo, a story about a samurai finding a town divided between two groups and playing them off each other until freeing the town of both of them. It's been a Western with Clint Eastwood, a Prohibition Mob movie with Bruce Willis, a sci-fi dystopian planet film with David Carradine, and dozens upon dozens more. Similar structure told in different, interesting ways.

You can have a similar idea, but its' all in how it's presented. You find the voices you like, and follow their stories. One of the reasons the late Roger Corman was so successful was that he'd take ideas that were big and popular but let new voices try their stuff with limited budget and resources because if they could make it work, they'd do so and if not...at least he made profit through his producing efforts. There are a lot of bad quality Roger Corman films, and then there are movies from people he gave the first/early shots to like Francis Ford Coppala, Ron Howard, Joe Dante or James Cameron.

Sorry...rambled.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

May 23, 2024 15:46:47 GMT -5 hassanchop said:

May 23, 2024 14:28:54 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

I call myself and people around my age the generation that never grew up. There has always been nostalgia, but not as much as it is now. I think there is just so much media and information out there that there is so much more.comfort in being familiar with a franchise.

I recall people in the 90s very nostalgic about the 60s and 70s in ads and some instances in TV

it absolutely has... and the happy days was nostalgic for the 50's... during the 70's... Nostalgia has always been there for like he 20-30 years beforehand.

[Savage Gambino]

May 23, 2024 15:02:28 GMT -5 ace said:

People who say this can simply…watch more independent movies. I see more original ideas carried out in indie horror now than at any time in the last few decades. The problem is that these people will never watch those movies because they are only interested in what is popular. The problem isn’t the movies…it’s the person.

See also, music; I just can't relate to everyone else's complaints about music, because I very rarely listen to the radio. I find a new artist every other week on YouTube, Soundcloud, Spotify, or Pandora. Keep in mind, music goes to streaming just by default. When a movie goes directly to streaming, it's a huge gamble; film studios are heavily dependent upon theaters, which have been closing steadily since the pandemic, so their dependence on 4-quadrant blockbusters isn't just a line-goes-up thing, it's largely about keeping the lights on.

Waiting for the majors to give you an exciting movie when independent studios are doing just that on a regular basis (Neon and A24 in particular have been killing it), is like asking Top 40 radio to give you something truly groundbreaking.

[cosmo]

May 23, 2024 19:45:05 GMT -5 Savage Gambino said:

May 23, 2024 15:02:28 GMT -5 ace said:

People who say this can simply…watch more independent movies. I see more original ideas carried out in indie horror now than at any time in the last few decades. The problem is that these people will never watch those movies because they are only interested in what is popular. The problem isn’t the movies…it’s the person.

See also, music; I just can't relate to everyone else's complaints about music, because I very rarely listen to the radio. I find a new artist every other week on YouTube, Soundcloud, Spotify, or Pandora. Keep in mind, music goes to streaming just by default. When a movie goes directly to streaming, it's a huge gamble; film studios are heavily dependent upon theaters, which have been closing steadily since the pandemic, so their dependence on 4-quadrant blockbusters isn't just a line-goes-up thing, it's largely about keeping the lights on.

Waiting for the majors to give you an exciting movie when independent studios are doing just that on a regular basis (Neon and A24 in particular have been killing it), is like asking Top 40 radio to give you something truly groundbreaking.

The thing about blockbusters isn't far from the truth. I live in a really rural area, so much so that the theater closest to me is an independent one built into an old Lowe's that's almost a 45-minute drive away from me. They get pretty much nothing but the big studio releases, since there's no real market in the area for anything other than that.

So when the theater got Godzilla Minus One, I was actually surprised. The theater manager and I will have friendly conversations in the lobby whenever I'm there on a slow day, and I told him that I wasn't expecting them to show that since it's not in English and from a foreign studio. He said, "Yeah, we usually wouldn't, but c'mon, it's Godzilla."

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

May 23, 2024 19:45:05 GMT -5 Savage Gambino said:

May 23, 2024 15:02:28 GMT -5 ace said:

People who say this can simply…watch more independent movies. I see more original ideas carried out in indie horror now than at any time in the last few decades. The problem is that these people will never watch those movies because they are only interested in what is popular. The problem isn’t the movies…it’s the person.

See also, music; I just can't relate to everyone else's complaints about music, because I very rarely listen to the radio. I find a new artist every other week on YouTube, Soundcloud, Spotify, or Pandora. Keep in mind, music goes to streaming just by default. When a movie goes directly to streaming, it's a huge gamble; film studios are heavily dependent upon theaters, which have been closing steadily since the pandemic, so their dependence on 4-quadrant blockbusters isn't just a line-goes-up thing, it's largely about keeping the lights on.

Waiting for the majors to give you an exciting movie when independent studios are doing just that on a regular basis (Neon and A24 in particular have been killing it), is like asking Top 40 radio to give you something truly groundbreaking.

Honestly, I rolled in here to virulently disagree with the OP, but having seen this post, I think I should probably shut my mouth. It is extremely common for people to say that music all sucks nowadays, and it's just an indication that these people are not actually putting any effort whatsoever into finding the music they want to listen to.

If you only listen to the charts - which is a wild suggestion to me, but still - then yeah, you're not going to find what you like unless you like pop music and/or the lowest common denominator, widest appeal, middle of the road stuff.

Not to mention that for as long as humans have been recording history, every generation has thought that the next generation down is lazy, stupid, enjoys crap hobbies, and has shit art.

I understand that not everyone has the time to hunt out music they want to listen to, but also... that's not actually music's problem, that's your problem. The music has always existed, and with the internet it's now actually easier than ever to find it, if you look.

I do think that major studios are becoming more homogenous in what they're producing - sequels and crossovers, and all these mega corporations swallowing up loads of studios so they can just keep making more of those. But the mainstream has rarely ever been the place you should have been going to find good art.

[schma]

I see a few mentions of good things happening in independent horror films. Could any suggest if there are similar studios doing good stuff for other genres? I'm usually not a fan of horror.