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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 29, 2024 19:59:09 GMT -5
One of my favorites in the Freddy series, second favorite behind Dream Warriors to be specific. Remember watching it a bunch of times on VHS when I was a kid. Especially like Kim Myers as Lisa. Side note since it was mentioned above, Halloween 3 is my favorite Halloween film. I like 1, 3, 4, New Nightmare, and Freddy vs. Jason better than this film.
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 30, 2024 0:38:40 GMT -5
One of my favorites in the Freddy series, second favorite behind Dream Warriors to be specific. Remember watching it a bunch of times on VHS when I was a kid. Especially like Kim Myers as Lisa. Side note since it was mentioned above, Halloween 3 is my favorite Halloween film. I like 1, 3, 4, New Nightmare, and Freddy vs. Jason better than this film. My ranking: 1. Dream Warriors 2. Freddy’s Revenge 3. Original 4. New Nightmare 5. Freddy vs. Jason 6. Freddy's Dead 7. Remake 8. Dream Master 9. Dream Child
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 30, 2024 8:34:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always liked this film but it's definitely towards the bottom of the barrel for me.
Ranking for me goes: 1 3 Dream Warriors New Nightmare 4 Dream Master Freddy vs Jason 2 Freddy's Revenge 5 Dream Child Freddy's Dead
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 30, 2024 10:29:33 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film. Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. Funny thing is, Robert Englund called it on the gay subtext from day one. But not like he had any problem with it. Even in the 80’s he was saying Freddy is really the manifestation of Jesse’s fear about coming out. So did Mark Patton. So did 17 year old not really media literate Baldo-Bomb
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 30, 2024 10:31:50 GMT -5
It’s unique in that it had a “final guy”. Aside from Tommy Jarvis, I can’t think of any other examples of that. Ash Williams? TJ from My Bloody Valentine? Alfred in The Burning?
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Post by hassanchop on May 30, 2024 14:05:22 GMT -5
Ash Williams? TJ from My Bloody Valentine? Alfred in The Burning? Reggie The Reckless from Friday the 13th Part 5 A New Beginning
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 1, 2024 16:43:23 GMT -5
The guy at the Pool party who tried to calmly talk to Freddy out of killing people before he got slashed up might be my all time favorite victim in a horror movie Yeah, it's a good kill because the idea that he probably expected a different result is hilarious.
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Post by Legion on Jun 1, 2024 17:22:43 GMT -5
Scream Queen: MY Nightmare on Elm Street is an interesting documentary on this movie, looking at the gay subtext, actual text and how the actor felt about it at the time and since.
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Post by bob on Jun 1, 2024 17:29:34 GMT -5
The guy at the Pool party who tried to calmly talk to Freddy out of killing people before he got slashed up might be my all time favorite victim in a horror movie Yeah, it's a good kill because the idea that he probably expected a different result is hilarious. I agree ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by hassanchop on Jun 1, 2024 20:37:31 GMT -5
The guy at the Pool party who tried to calmly talk to Freddy out of killing people before he got slashed up might be my all time favorite victim in a horror movie Yeah, it's a good kill because the idea that he probably expected a different result is hilarious. Only downside is that Freddy/Jesse didn't make a sick pun or catchy one liner. "Help yourself" doesn't cut it.
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Post by agent817 on Jun 1, 2024 21:00:32 GMT -5
I had binged on the Elm Street films a few weeks ago. I recall having watched the first four films a few years ago, but then I decided to watch all of them (including the remake).
I personally did not mind this film. Yes, I could see the criticisms, especially how Freddy didn't do much of the dream killings. Hell, the scene when Freddy breaks out of the main character's body gave me the chills.
Also, I wonder if this film is canon, especially when none of the characters from this film returned in subsequent films. Then again, slasher films don't always have the best continuity.
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Post by ace on Jun 2, 2024 16:23:15 GMT -5
Here’s what happens with a lot of bad (or at least, rejected) early installments of a franchise.
They come out. They aren’t what people wanted. They get labeled as terrible. All makes sense, right? Then you’d say….well…time passes and blah blah blah. But that’s not actually what happens. The Exorcist II has never seen a rise in esteem or a reevaluation…it’s just a shit movie. It’s so shit in fact…that it can’t be saved by what happens next. The series goes on long enough for even worse movies to come out. When there was only the original and part 2 of NOES…2 is complete garbage. When 3 comes out and is great…just pile on 2 all you want. Then 4 isn’t as good as 1 or 3 but it’s better than 2…so no one bothers to reassess it yet. Then 5 and 6 happen and suddenly it’s a middle tier Freddy movie. It’s still not as good as 4…but man it’s more fun than 5 and 6. Those are the bad ones! Time to give 2 a reevaluation!
It happened with Bond too. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service was hated forever. Then enough actually bad Bond movies came out and…hey…you know what movie isn’t as bad as people say? Now that movie actually isn’t bad. It was hated on because Connery bolted and it was a one off for Lazenby. But no one was interested in sticking up for it until after the last couple Moore movies and Dalton’s two. By the time Die Another Day came out…it was time to back our boy Lazenby!
We all like Alien 3 now, right? Misunderstood it was! Except it wasn’t when its only comparisons were two masterpieces. Resurrection comes and…hey 3 wasn’t this bad. Two AVP movies later…Fincher was really on to something I don’t know how we all missed it.
Anyway. 2 isn’t very good. It’s not as bad as people thought it was from 85-90. But it’s still not a good movie.
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Post by hassanchop on Jun 2, 2024 18:52:28 GMT -5
Also, I wonder if this film is canon, especially when none of the characters from this film returned in subsequent films. Then again, slasher films don't always have the best continuity. In a few sequels clips of this movie appeared especially Freddy emerging from Jesse. Like I said, to make this canon, they should have connected it to the plot of Freddy vs Jason, that Freddy needed someone to kill in the real world for everyone to remember him, and write that Jesse was the first one he chose, I mean in Freddy's Revenge, no one seems to remember him, they only remember Nancy.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jun 2, 2024 23:18:54 GMT -5
Here’s what happens with a lot of bad (or at least, rejected) early installments of a franchise. They come out. They aren’t what people wanted. They get labeled as terrible. All makes sense, right? Then you’d say….well…time passes and blah blah blah. But that’s not actually what happens. The Exorcist II has never seen a rise in esteem or a reevaluation…it’s just a shit movie. It’s so shit in fact…that it can’t be saved by what happens next. The series goes on long enough for even worse movies to come out. When there was only the original and part 2 of NOES…2 is complete garbage. When 3 comes out and is great…just pile on 2 all you want. Then 4 isn’t as good as 1 or 3 but it’s better than 2…so no one bothers to reassess it yet. Then 5 and 6 happen and suddenly it’s a middle tier Freddy movie. It’s still not as good as 4…but man it’s more fun than 5 and 6. Those are the bad ones! Time to give 2 a reevaluation! It happened with Bond too. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service was hated forever. Then enough actually bad Bond movies came out and…hey…you know what movie isn’t as bad as people say? Now that movie actually isn’t bad. It was hated on because Connery bolted and it was a one off for Lazenby. But no one was interested in sticking up for it until after the last couple Moore movies and Dalton’s two. By the time Die Another Day came out…it was time to back our boy Lazenby! We all like Alien 3 now, right? Misunderstood it was! Except it wasn’t when its only comparisons were two masterpieces. Resurrection comes and…hey 3 wasn’t this bad. Two AVP movies later…Fincher was really on to something I don’t know how we all missed it. Anyway. 2 isn’t very good. It’s not as bad as people thought it was from 85-90. But it’s still not a good movie. I disagree with this concept that bad films only look less worse after even worse films in a franchise come out. With Elm Street, 2 has always been better than 4. Most of the franchise outside of New Nightmare has been garbage after 3. Same for the Alien franchise. Anything after 2 has been bad. The later films being really bad hasn’t made 3 any less bad. Elm Street should have ended after 5films: 1. Original 2. Freddy’s Revenge 3. Dream Warriors 4. New Nightmare 5. Freddy vs. Jason And Aliens should have only been 2: 1. Alien 2. Aliens The sequels that came after 3 being bad doesn’t make 3 any less bad. There was no need to make a bad film and have to kill Newt and Bishop to do it. They never even tell us what happened to Jonesy, the real last survivor of the Nostromo after Ripley left him behind in Aliens. The only good thing that came out of that situation was the one Aliens video game retconning Hick’s death and revealing that he was still alive.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 3, 2024 3:33:16 GMT -5
Here’s what happens with a lot of bad (or at least, rejected) early installments of a franchise. They come out. They aren’t what people wanted. They get labeled as terrible. All makes sense, right? Then you’d say….well…time passes and blah blah blah. But that’s not actually what happens. The Exorcist II has never seen a rise in esteem or a reevaluation…it’s just a shit movie. It’s so shit in fact…that it can’t be saved by what happens next. The series goes on long enough for even worse movies to come out. When there was only the original and part 2 of NOES…2 is complete garbage. When 3 comes out and is great…just pile on 2 all you want. Then 4 isn’t as good as 1 or 3 but it’s better than 2…so no one bothers to reassess it yet. Then 5 and 6 happen and suddenly it’s a middle tier Freddy movie. It’s still not as good as 4…but man it’s more fun than 5 and 6. Those are the bad ones! Time to give 2 a reevaluation! It happened with Bond too. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service was hated forever. Then enough actually bad Bond movies came out and…hey…you know what movie isn’t as bad as people say? Now that movie actually isn’t bad. It was hated on because Connery bolted and it was a one off for Lazenby. But no one was interested in sticking up for it until after the last couple Moore movies and Dalton’s two. By the time Die Another Day came out…it was time to back our boy Lazenby! We all like Alien 3 now, right? Misunderstood it was! Except it wasn’t when its only comparisons were two masterpieces. Resurrection comes and…hey 3 wasn’t this bad. Two AVP movies later…Fincher was really on to something I don’t know how we all missed it. Anyway. 2 isn’t very good. It’s not as bad as people thought it was from 85-90. But it’s still not a good movie. I disagree with this concept that bad films only look less worse after even worse films in a franchise come out. With Elm Street, 2 has always been better than 4. Most of the franchise outside of New Nightmare has been garbage after 3. Same for the Alien franchise. Anything after 2 has been bad. The later films being really bad hasn’t made 3 any less bad. Elm Street should have ended after 5films: 1. Original 2. Freddy’s Revenge 3. Dream Warriors 4. New Nightmare 5. Freddy vs. Jason And Aliens should have only been 2: 1. Alien 2. Aliens The sequels that came after 3 being bad doesn’t make 3 any less bad. There was no need to make a bad film and have to kill Newt and Bishop to do it. They never even tell us what happened to Jonesy, the real last survivor of the Nostromo after Ripley left him behind in Aliens. The only good thing that came out of that situation was the one Aliens video game retconning Hick’s death and revealing that he was still alive. Honestly, if 3 was about a completely new protagonist and wasn't weighted down by the idiocy of killing off Newt and Hicks, I'd probably enjoy it more. It wasn't a bad premise and had a really unique setting. The baggage it had otherwise is too distracting though and pretty much kills it.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 5, 2024 23:38:15 GMT -5
Scream Queen: MY Nightmare on Elm Street is an interesting documentary on this movie, looking at the gay subtext, actual text and how the actor felt about it at the time and since. It's how I got the whole part of how he basically quit acting because of the criticism of his role in the film. And that fact that the scriptwriter originally threw him under the bus of him acting too gay.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jun 8, 2024 1:08:50 GMT -5
Also, I wonder if this film is canon, especially when none of the characters from this film returned in subsequent films. Then again, slasher films don't always have the best continuity. In a few sequels clips of this movie appeared especially Freddy emerging from Jesse. Like I said, to make this canon, they should have connected it to the plot of Freddy vs Jason, that Freddy needed someone to kill in the real world for everyone to remember him, and write that Jesse was the first one he chose, I mean in Freddy's Revenge, no one seems to remember him, they only remember Nancy. Yeah, that could have worked.
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