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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 25, 2024 11:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by James Fabiano on May 25, 2024 12:20:14 GMT -5
I know more people appreciate it now, similar to Halloween III. What you named is part of that, and moreso because that documentary made it fresh in people's minds. Still, it has that Halloween III syndrome because NOES 2 too just doesn't belong with the rest of the continuity. It has nothing to do, outside of the Elm Street House and Nancy's diary, with the Nancy Thompson storyline, which later morphed into the Dream Warriors' timeline, and ended as Alice Johnson's timeline. We just see Jesse and his friends in this one movie, then poof, they're gone, like a fever dream. It was like a side-story, like something for Freddy to do until he learned that Nancy returned. Freddy's Dead is kind of like that too, because they basically got rid of any surviving Alice-related characters and it felt like a soft reboot as such. NOES 2 might have been better as a Freddy's Nightmares episode.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 25, 2024 12:44:45 GMT -5
Wow, today years old since I learned Melinda O. Fee is no longer with us, AND was in this movie. Before I knew her mostly for being on the very last week of the syndicated Match Game, and by proxy the last week of Match Game '7x, or rather, the most popular incarnation of the show. Back in the 90s, how to spell her name was a subject of contention for people who kept game show tape trading lists. "Was it O'Fee? Olsteen?" And so on.
And ANOTHER Just The Ten Of Us'er crosses over into the Nightmare series.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 25, 2024 12:57:51 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film.
Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it.
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 25, 2024 13:51:54 GMT -5
One of my favorites in the Freddy series, second favorite behind Dream Warriors to be specific. Remember watching it a bunch of times on VHS when I was a kid. Especially like Kim Myers as Lisa.
Side note since it was mentioned above, Halloween 3 is my favorite Halloween film.
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Post by hassanchop on May 25, 2024 15:51:01 GMT -5
And while this film has a gay subtext, it is not the reason I do not like this movie. It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film. Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. I also stand by not liking this due to "Not enough Freddy", let me also add, it's called "Freddy's Revenge" in capital metallic letters. I hate to be that asshole asking once again, but what exactly is Freddy getting revenge here? None of the original cast is in it, none of the characters here have any connection to them, and don't seem know or care about Freddy, they only talk about Nancy going crazy. And why would Freddy want to kill in the real world once more, where he has no power? That there removes the one thing that separates him from other slashers. And if Jesse is our lead, why isn't he the one taking on Freddy at the film's climax? Why not have him fight Freddy in the dream world in a showdown? That love thing at the end doesn't cut it. Also, I hate to ask, but I feel I gotta, but if the movie didn't have the gay subtext, would we still be talking about it? In my opinion, it would still suck, only it would be buried harder and more forgettable. In my opinion, this feels like a strange Donnie Darko like film, from the point of view of Norman Bates, because if we're gonna go by a teen with two personalities inside him, it makes some sense, only problem is, why put Freddy in it? It would have been fine if it was it's own movie divorced from the Nightmare franchise. I've ranted far too long, but let me just finish by saying to correct this film and connect it to the series, they should have added it to the plot point in Freddy vs Jason where Freddy needs someone to kill for him to make them remember him, and Jesse was the first one. Heck he should have returned in Freddy vs Jason to explain to the kids how Freddy's plot works, have him tell them that Freddy wanted him to kill so that the kids of Elm Street would be scared once more and he could invade their dreams, but he tried to fight it, and the town also knew of it and they did erase him the first time between Part 1 and 2, and when the murders of the coach and the others happened, the higher ups at Springwood know what was up so they had to erase him once more, they know Jesse to be innocent so they advised him to move out and assume another identity while they pin the murders on him to keep Freddy out but the damage was done, so Jesse returns to Springwood to confront Freddy once more. If they couldn't do that put him in the Freddy vs Jason vs Ash comics and sequels with the same suggested story but as one of the survivors gathered to take on Freddy and Jason once and for all.
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Post by Duke Cameron on May 25, 2024 21:36:38 GMT -5
Everyone talking about how disconnected it is from the rest of the series. Man, I think that’s why I like it so much. I’ve always enjoyed films that try something different. This film, Halloween 3, a Jason less Friday 5, etc.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 28, 2024 2:29:03 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film. Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. Definitely not the worst (the remake exists). But not good.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on May 28, 2024 5:50:22 GMT -5
The guy at the Pool party who tried to calmly talk to Freddy out of killing people before he got slashed up might be my all time favorite victim in a horror movie
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Post by thegreatnodnarb on May 28, 2024 9:52:27 GMT -5
My head canon for this movie is that Jesse takes the fall for every death in this movie and is killed by Freddy at the end so it looks like a murder/suicide deal. Also, Freddy looks like Freddy to us during the pool party but looks like Jesse to the people in the movie.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 28, 2024 10:41:17 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film. Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. Funny thing is, Robert Englund called it on the gay subtext from day one. But not like he had any problem with it. Even in the 80’s he was saying Freddy is really the manifestation of Jesse’s fear about coming out.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 28, 2024 10:47:20 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film. Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. Definitely not the worst (the remake exists). But not good. More like, Freddy's Dead exists. And does the "not in the main timeline" chapter thing worse than NOES2 did, IMO. (the lazy "well Freddy killed all the kids and Springwood is a surreal nutso town cause Twin Peaks was a thing." And N2 has a token reference to Nancy at least. FD abandoned everything they built to up to Alice's story arc) Not a remake fan too, though. But come on, FD was a whole other level of suck. 1,3, maybe 4 are the peaks, BTW.
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Post by BRV on May 28, 2024 10:58:53 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film.Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. I'm amazed that it took that long for people to realize the gay subtext of the movie, it's about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 28, 2024 11:57:24 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film.Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. I'm amazed that it took that long for people to realize the gay subtext of the movie, it's about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head. Gotta remember I was in rural MS. Subtext aint something most got.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 28, 2024 12:01:55 GMT -5
It's weird when this came out people hated it. Mostly cause "Not enough Freddy." Wasn't until the mid 90s I started hearing the gay subtext stuff about the film. Not my favorite from the franchise but far from my least favorite. This one is just so odd and wacky I love it. Definitely not the worst (the remake exists). But not good. 4&5 also exist. Pretty much now when I rewatch the Elm Street films I watch 1,then first episode of Freddys Nightmares,then 2,3,Then Freddys Dead and New Nightmare.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 28, 2024 13:16:01 GMT -5
Definitely not the worst (the remake exists). But not good. 4&5 also exist. Pretty much now when I rewatch the Elm Street films I watch 1,then first episode of Freddys Nightmares,then 2,3,Then Freddys Dead and New Nightmare. 4 was okay. 5 is when we start having problems. And yet, most of the NOES actors/actresses I met are from 5! (and they're real nice people too! No, I never told them 5 is one of my least favorite Nightmare movies ;-) ;-)) If I did the Choose Your Own Timeline thing, I'd also ignore Freddy's Dead (I guess in your case, it helps that it pretty much wiped everything before it clean except for Freddy). MAYBE 2, but like I said it does loosely fit in the Nancy Thompson Story. So my ideal NOES timeline? FN Episode 1 MAYBE FN Sister's Keeper (which is a continuation of the premier ep.) 1 3 (this is where Freddy is killed off for good instead of in FD...) NN (just for a bit of meta fun)
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Post by hassanchop on May 28, 2024 14:15:39 GMT -5
Also, Freddy looks like Freddy to us during the pool party but looks like Jesse to the people in the movie. And that's exactly why I call this movie a Norman Bates movie from the perspective of Norman Bates
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Post by bob on May 28, 2024 17:46:31 GMT -5
I selected this movie because it basically ignored all the rules for what Freddy can do as established in A Nightmare on Elm Street
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 28, 2024 21:02:46 GMT -5
It’s unique in that it had a “final guy”. Aside from Tommy Jarvis, I can’t think of any other examples of that.
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Post by hassanchop on May 28, 2024 21:44:50 GMT -5
It’s unique in that it had a “final guy”. Aside from Tommy Jarvis, I can’t think of any other examples of that. Ash Williams? TJ from My Bloody Valentine?
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