Soultastic
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Post by Soultastic on Aug 21, 2024 15:04:50 GMT -5
For the main character to be considered the villain, I think you would need to contrast that strongly with a character who *is* good. Breaking Bad comes closer since the audience usually sympathized with Jesse. A show like The Sopranos on the other hand...of I'm not rooting for Tony, who am I rooting for? I remember really wanting to like the supporting cast, but as the show went on and they were all shown to be grossly incompetent sex fiends, I wanted everyone on that show to die. Too bad they killed off Doakes in Season 2, he seemed to be the only guy who had two braincells. The only show I can think of that fell off harder than Dexter is Heroes.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Aug 21, 2024 15:17:09 GMT -5
What about John Kramer in the Saw movies?
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Post by gerbilfacedgeek on Aug 21, 2024 17:14:09 GMT -5
Dastardly and Muttley in their Flying Machines?
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Aug 21, 2024 18:36:24 GMT -5
Barry - a black comedy about a hitman with the Fonz and Victor Zsasz from Gotham as supporting characters was a really good one I binged recently. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places but it didn't have nearly as much hype as a show of its quality should have.
Already been mentioned but I like the dynamic of Peaky Blinders (and the inter-war backdrop is grand too) as the entire Shelby family are heels who think they are babyfaces with the only exception being Tommy who is just self-aware enough of his own and his family's amorality that if affects his mental health. The rant Alfie Solomons gives him when his son is kidnapped is amazing stuff.
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Post by bibboid on Aug 21, 2024 19:33:39 GMT -5
You - It is a real shame how Joe Goldberg’s ex girlfriends all end up dead or in hiding or locked up in a big glass box.
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Post by koreycaskets on Aug 21, 2024 20:23:35 GMT -5
Ozark
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Post by Andew9001 on Aug 21, 2024 20:28:51 GMT -5
What about John Kramer in the Saw movies? Really he was only the main character in the last film and maybe the third film. 4,5,6 and 7 he was barely in. He was always the most intersting character but the films almost always resolved around his chosen victims.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Aug 21, 2024 21:18:27 GMT -5
For the main character to be considered the villain, I think you would need to contrast that strongly with a character who *is* good. Breaking Bad comes closer since the audience usually sympathized with Jesse. A show like The Sopranos on the other hand...of I'm not rooting for Tony, who am I rooting for? I remember really wanting to like the supporting cast, but as the show went on and they were all shown to be grossly incompetent sex fiends, I wanted everyone on that show to die. Too bad they killed off Doakes in Season 2, he seemed to be the only guy who had two braincells. The show would have been fine if the Main Characters weren't total idiots. Batista fails to suspect Dexter because they have this great friendship thats never seen. LaGuerta gets killed because Deb's an idiot. Low key wish Deb just shot herself instead and LaGuerta use it to frame Dexter. Quinn could have been a good op for Dexter but they distanced themselves so fast from that. Masuka was annoying. Deb went from alpha bitch to weird incest girl. God I hated everything after Trinity. Just terrible writing and they refused to turn Dexter Heel, but yet I found myself wanting to see him get brought down. Not out of hate for him, but because the plot conveniences were beyond annoying for saving him.
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Post by tirtefaa on Aug 21, 2024 21:53:07 GMT -5
For the main character to be considered the villain, I think you would need to contrast that strongly with a character who *is* good. Breaking Bad comes closer since the audience usually sympathized with Jesse. A show like The Sopranos on the other hand...of I'm not rooting for Tony, who am I rooting for? I remember really wanting to like the supporting cast, but as the show went on and they were all shown to be grossly incompetent sex fiends, I wanted everyone on that show to die. Too bad they killed off Doakes in Season 2, he seemed to be the only guy who had two braincells. The show would have been fine if the Main Characters weren't total idiots. Batista fails to suspect Dexter because they have this great friendship thats never seen. LaGuerta gets killed because Deb's an idiot. Low key wish Deb just shot herself instead and LaGuerta use it to frame Dexter. Quinn could have been a good op for Dexter but they distanced themselves so fast from that. Masuka was annoying. Deb went from alpha bitch to weird incest girl. God I hated everything after Trinity. Just terrible writing and they refused to turn Dexter Heel, but yet I found myself wanting to see him get brought down. Not out of hate for him, but because the plot conveniences were beyond annoying for saving him. That was one of the biggest glaring errors on that show; no one is shown to be Dexter's equal...or even remotely close to his level. He's just so much more clever than everyone! You can only keep that up for so long. Dexter was just unlikeable, especially after all the conveniences the wrote into the show in order to maintain his superiority over everyone else. I thought maybe when they introduced Elway that they would finally have a character that could be on his trail and keep Dexter on his toes...but NOPE, it wasn't long before they had to make him a sex fiend. The show literally never tried.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Aug 22, 2024 1:08:22 GMT -5
The show would have been fine if the Main Characters weren't total idiots. Batista fails to suspect Dexter because they have this great friendship thats never seen. LaGuerta gets killed because Deb's an idiot. Low key wish Deb just shot herself instead and LaGuerta use it to frame Dexter. Quinn could have been a good op for Dexter but they distanced themselves so fast from that. Masuka was annoying. Deb went from alpha bitch to weird incest girl. God I hated everything after Trinity. Just terrible writing and they refused to turn Dexter Heel, but yet I found myself wanting to see him get brought down. Not out of hate for him, but because the plot conveniences were beyond annoying for saving him. That was one of the biggest glaring errors on that show; no one is shown to be Dexter's equal...or even remotely close to his level. He's just so much more clever than everyone! You can only keep that up for so long. Dexter was just unlikeable, especially after all the conveniences the wrote into the show in order to maintain his superiority over everyone else. I thought maybe when they introduced Elway that they would finally have a character that could be on his trail and keep Dexter on his toes...but NOPE, it wasn't long before they had to make him a sex fiend. The show literally never tried. I had to research that name. I literally forgot who he was. Yeah another missed opportunity because for some reason everyone in that universe is a mindless sex addict Dexter and Death Note both are similar shows in premise and themes but where Death Note told this story right was that Light had people who could stand with him. L being a good example and later on other characters. Dexter had numerous antagonists and while Brian, Doakes, Lila, Miguel, and Trinity were great adversaries for him on terms of pushing him to the edge, no one truly could stand out as THE threat. Deb could have became that character but they ruined her with the crush on Dexter she out of nowhere developed. The ending of that show should have been Dexter's world burning around him and after heroically rescuing Deb, he gives her the nod to put a bullet in his head because its better than the fate he is facing. Would have hit hard and told a stronger story. Instead we got a show that was more concerned with milking the financial gain and ended up losing out on more in the end.
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Post by thechase on Aug 22, 2024 1:36:54 GMT -5
The Ink Thief
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 22, 2024 7:15:21 GMT -5
Saved by the Bell
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Aug 22, 2024 7:45:50 GMT -5
Well, he did grow up to become Homelander...
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