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Post by Smokey McTrees on Dec 19, 2007 0:24:32 GMT -5
After seeing this and watching the prologue I think Ledger is playing the part well, but outside of the "Good Evening, Commissioner" scene I am hating the makeup to the point where I may not see the film.
Yeah right. Hate the makeup though.
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Post by DSR on Dec 19, 2007 0:42:58 GMT -5
Saw the trailer earlier tonight when I went to see I Am Legend. I lit up like a ten year old boy when I heard and saw Heath playing the Joker. Can't wait...
PS. In everyone's mentioning of 2008 as best year for movies ever, you all forgot the sequel to Casino Royale!
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Dec 19, 2007 0:59:52 GMT -5
By the way, you said he didn't have makeup. Is it still hidden that there's no makeup or is he actually wearing it? I couldn't care either way, in fact I like the effect of the makeup rotting off. You want the truth? I don't know. That's the problem with relying on one single pipeline. Sometimes you get gems, and sometimes you just get simply crap. It's makeup. Sigh. movies.ign.com/articles/839/839933p1.html
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 19, 2007 1:04:59 GMT -5
The more I think about it, and it's near sacrilege as a comic fan to say this perhaps, I like the idea of makeup better than him being bleached by chemicals. If you have him in the chemical accident and then he becomes the Joker- it was kinda thrust upon him. Having him choose to become the Joker without that 'accidental' prompting is a lil scarier.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Dec 19, 2007 1:06:48 GMT -5
The more I think about it, and it's near sacrilege as a comic fan to say this perhaps, I like the idea of makeup better than him being bleached by chemicals. If you have him in the chemical accident and then he becomes the Joker- it was kinda thrust upon him. Having him choose to become the Joker without that 'accidental' prompting is a lil scarier. What if he gleefully jumped in a vat of chemicals!?
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Post by DSR on Dec 19, 2007 1:11:22 GMT -5
The more I think about it, and it's near sacrilege as a comic fan to say this perhaps, I like the idea of makeup better than him being bleached by chemicals. If you have him in the chemical accident and then he becomes the Joker- it was kinda thrust upon him. Having him choose to become the Joker without that 'accidental' prompting is a lil scarier. What if he gleefully jumped in a vat of chemicals!? That's hilarious.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 19, 2007 1:12:08 GMT -5
Touche, ya got me there. That'd be even scarier I spose.
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Dec 19, 2007 1:22:31 GMT -5
I dunno, after watching it for the millionth time I think sometimes Ledger looks ok, but sometimes he looks awful. For example, during the interrogation scenes he looks kinda cool, but near the end when he goes, "Come on, hit me!" I am reminded so much of Beetlejuice I want to cry.
I dunno about your argument regarding the Joker "choosing" to be the Joker, Slim. While I see what you're saying the concept just seems so much more cliche to me. Not that falling into a vat of chemicals isn't, but I think it is less mysterious because he can just wipe it off.
On the other hand, I'm so glad Nolan is avoiding an origin story. That rules over all, because the Joker is a character that has never needed a definitive origin story.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 19, 2007 1:26:52 GMT -5
Hey, maybe by the end of te movie his make-up will be permanantly stained onto his face?
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Dec 19, 2007 1:28:45 GMT -5
You're forgetting he also physically mutilated himself to get a larger grin. And I do think the effect of the makeup rotting off as the film progresses will be worth it.
It does make sense to say it's freakier to think he's purposefully doing this to himself, rather than it had been done to him. Because it shows there are larger issues underneath.
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Dec 19, 2007 1:28:47 GMT -5
I like how they seem to be making more "realistic" movies, (or as realistic as batman movies can be.) Given the way Batman begins was, and the tone it set, I think having the Joker as a guy who feel into a vat of toxic chemicals and was miraculously unharmed except in face color, would seem a bit silly.
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Post by DSR on Dec 19, 2007 1:30:15 GMT -5
I think the idea he was going for was that The Joker (whatever his real name is) has always been like this on the inside, just on the brink of snapping into full blown lunacy. When he finally does snap, it is in the form of the Joker.
So basically, he could remove the makeup, but it's still a psychosis that isn't going away just because he did.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Dec 19, 2007 1:34:55 GMT -5
I think the idea he was going for was that The Joker (whatever his real name is) has always been like this on the inside, just on the brink of snapping into full blown lunacy. When he finally does snap, it is in the form of the Joker. So basically, he could remove the makeup, but it's still a psychosis that isn't going away just because he did. Which makes it more mysterious. What's so mysterious about an albino or a bad day? What's more mysterious is what compels a person to cut a glasgow grin and put on warpaint.
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Post by Smokey McTrees on Dec 19, 2007 2:19:41 GMT -5
Ah, but self-mutilation and paint are so boring...the Batman mythos is so chock full of psychopaths that the Joker needs to stand out. I'm not necessarily asking for a vat of chemicals, but the concept of a clown that is really a f***ing clown through-and- through is what makes the Joker scary. You can't take this clown's make-up off. He's performing 24/7. He's larger than life. I don't care how realistic Nolan wants to make a movie about a guy dressing up as a bat, the Joker is a completely over-the-top character. Even the first two comic-book appearances Nolan is supposedly basing the film's portrayal as portrayed him as that, albeit more sinister. I'm fine with that. Sinister is great.
But I think the Glasgow Grin is a cop-out. It is not much different than Nicholson's puffy-cheek make-up.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Dec 19, 2007 2:23:43 GMT -5
I'm not necessarily asking for a vat of chemicals, but the concept of a clown that is really a smurfing clown through-and- through is what makes the Joker scary. You can't take this clown's make-up off. And you can't. Because it's a mental thing and not a physical thing. Even if the makeup is taken off he'll just put it back on.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2007 3:40:26 GMT -5
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Dec 19, 2007 3:55:22 GMT -5
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 19, 2007 6:55:10 GMT -5
Man, between this, Indy 4, and X-Files, I'm basically going to be living at the theater this summer.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 19, 2007 12:33:57 GMT -5
I just had a REALLY scary thought...
What would the Joker look like if Joel Schumacher were still directing?
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 19, 2007 12:43:30 GMT -5
It would be interesting if the skin tone seen under the make-up is perhaps not even his actual skin tone, and even that perhaps is make-up of some sort.
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