@TenaciousBe
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Dec 27, 2007 13:11:35 GMT -5
I think, as with anything, there's a huge combination of different factors.
It really all depends on what you're into. Myself, in the last 5 years, most of the music I've listened to is straight-up rock stuff, mostly by smaller bands that play in the Orlando and Dallas areas... Christian Wilson and his bands (Naive, then Penway, then The Lighter Exchange), Greater Grey, Big 10-4, Pulse Nein... Submersed, Faktion, Panic Value, Venture... a couple of these bands got signed and released national albums that pretty much nobody cared about. But it doesn't matter to me, because the music is there, and I love it. And in the end, that's all that really matters -- finding music that means something to you, as an individual listener. And regardless of what the internet may or may not be doing to "mainstream" music, it's led me to some of my favorite times in music.
So I don't think there's a downswing in music at all. People just have to know where to look, and how to use their resources to find new stuff -- even if the fanbase is relatively tiny.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 13:23:07 GMT -5
When mainstream radio doesn't tell you names of songs and artists, it prompts a lot of us to look to the internet to find these tunes. Rarely do we actually go out and buy these CDs; we got the song we want. If an artist has 3 or more good songs on an album, we may buy it.
The music industry is a lot like 1999 WCW. They want you to buy a CD/PPV but don't want to take time to tell you what's on it; they figure the name value alone sells discs/PPVs.
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Post by Joie De Vivre on Dec 27, 2007 16:37:42 GMT -5
It has to do with music currently being in the toilet, and the fact that CD's cost way too much. Record companies have been charging 20 bucks for cd's that have 1 or 2 good songs and a bunch of filler for decades now. They deserve to be struggling right now. I agree. The industry never really compromised with the CD prices. I remember reading how prices are dropping for albums but my local Wherehouse still sells them at the same price. I'm surprised they're still in business.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Dec 27, 2007 16:45:22 GMT -5
There is tons of great music out there, the problem is the industry doesn't push these artists, they push the same stuff over and over, and when a good group breaks, it is almost like they are set to fail.
Anyway, the reason the industry and failing is because it is corrupt and it is eating it self from the inside out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 16:51:49 GMT -5
The music business is like TNA.
They'll either push artists nobody that's over 13 likes, or they'll push artists that were a proven success over a decade ago.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 27, 2007 16:53:43 GMT -5
I blame the internet more but it's a combination. I think the internet has hurt mainstream music in that it used to be you heard a song on the radio, bought the album and the only good song was the one on the radio. Now you can avoid that entirely and have the one decent song. To top it off, the music industry pulled the plug on singles themselves. At least that was a sale, and they took it away.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 27, 2007 17:16:17 GMT -5
see, as a Metalhead, I can say that the Internet only helped the scene. so many bands I listen to and have purchased CDs from are bands I first heard on the Internet. what I think happens is that the internet gives more exposure to bands that you wouldn't hear of otherwise, so people get into different things than what the industry has convinced itself "will sell", ignoring the fact that people's tastes are far more diversified now. plus, the people they mainly market to, Highschool kids and kids in junior high, are the ones with the LEAST expendable income and the least likely to pay for something they could get for free, especially when most mainstream acts have like 2 or 3 songs on the album worth listening to. I remember that as a kid I'd buy a CD and only listen to like half of it, and that was a good album. they don't market album-oriented bands, and the bands they do market aren't worth making a whole album for. plus, they never let bands fail. they never let bands grow. how are any of these bands supposed to develop a following if you keep the same "here today gone tomorrow" attitude about them? seriously, how many of those classic bands best albums were their first ones? exactly. the music industry is its own worst enemy, not downloading.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 27, 2007 17:26:37 GMT -5
What really sucks, is store like Sam Goody and Tower are gone and we have to rely on Wal Mart and Target for cds now. I had a wider selection of music when I was 10
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 27, 2007 17:51:59 GMT -5
You missed option #3: treating customers like crap. Suing your own customers and making exorbitant claims. Refusing to adapt to changing times and insisting that you're Vince McMahon, dammit, how dare they not love every second of overpaying for generic, cookie-cutter bands? People only put up with so much.
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Post by Original Gansta - Charisma on Dec 27, 2007 18:26:46 GMT -5
When they're pushing albums by Paris Hilton, Jessica Simpson, and whatever blonde pig just came out with a sex tape as well as tired bands like Green Day and Metallica and the Foo Fighters and shitty bands like Matchbook Romance and little boys wearing makeup who can't even play their instruments, is there any surprise that a vast percentage if not majority of the culture has completely tuned out?
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 27, 2007 18:27:09 GMT -5
You missed option #3: treating customers like crap. Suing your own customers and making exorbitant claims. Refusing to adapt to changing times and insisting that you're Vince McMahon, dammit, how dare they not love every second of overpaying for generic, cookie-cutter bands? People only put up with so much. I rarely, if ever, do this but QFT.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 27, 2007 18:48:19 GMT -5
I think one of the biggest factors is how Corproate America has hurt music. I don't know about other countries but here there is about 2 big companies in Radio, Clearchannel and CBS. Everything is so censored right now on radio that they play the same 12 or so songs all the time. Bands are afraid to branch out and do something different so they do the same crap all the time. For example, Mainstream hip hop. You know the song and video is going to be about girls and money and cars among other things. It would be ok if one song was about that but when you hear the same thing in almost every popular song, it gets annoying.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 27, 2007 19:03:28 GMT -5
I think one of the biggest factors is how Corproate America has hurt music. I don't know about other countries but here there is about 2 big companies in Radio, Clearchannel and CBS. Everything is so censored right now on radio that they play the same 12 or so songs all the time. Bands are afraid to branch out and do something different so they do the same crap all the time. For example, Mainstream hip hop. You know the song and video is going to be about girls and money and cars among other things. It would be ok if one song was about that but when you hear the same thing in almost every popular song, it gets annoying. That goes back a few years to that ruling that suddenly made it ok to have a monopoly, If you had the money you could own as many stations as you wanted. Of course then everything will sound the same. See also:Television
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Post by Original Gansta - Charisma on Dec 27, 2007 19:38:51 GMT -5
I think one of the biggest factors is how Corproate America has hurt music. I don't know about other countries but here there is about 2 big companies in Radio, Clearchannel and CBS. Everything is so censored right now on radio that they play the same 12 or so songs all the time. Bands are afraid to branch out and do something different so they do the same crap all the time. For example, Mainstream hip hop. You know the song and video is going to be about girls and money and cars among other things. It would be ok if one song was about that but when you hear the same thing in almost every popular song, it gets annoying. That goes back a few years to that ruling that suddenly made it ok to have a monopoly, If you had the money you could own as many stations as you wanted. Of course then everything will sound the same. See also:Television That's what's cool because soon there's going to be a cultural revolution in about four or five years where people snap and just get sick of the same old tired shit and new outlets will form for decent media to travel though. It's like when a river gets blocked up and the water starts traveling different directions forming new rivers. I think in five years television, radio, and cds are going to be obsolete in favor of the internet and other uncensored forms of commerce. That is until corporations figure out a way to bleed those outlets to death and the cycle starts again.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 28, 2007 21:46:03 GMT -5
Well.... I'll blame the internet. But not in a negative way.
The internet gave people who previously had no outlet outside of word-of-mouth and radio and chance to listen to what else is out there besides mainstream music.
While mainstream artists aren't selling the uber-numbers they used to, overall... music is in a HUGE upswing. Just that it's all spread out. People aren't limited to a small number of bands the media says they are allowed to listen to... now, anyone anywhere can make music available to the masses online. Independant labels are prospering due to people being able to finally be aware of their existence.
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Post by The OP on Dec 28, 2007 22:32:14 GMT -5
It's absolutely because of the bland product being pushed in mainstream music. Record industry propaganda would have you believe that no one buys music because they're all downloading it for free, but only the four major labels (yes, there are now only four) are losing sales. Business is booming for indie labels that are willing to take chances on interesting artists.
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Post by TRMcGillicutty on Dec 28, 2007 23:29:00 GMT -5
The music industry is boring and repetitive. People are looking for something new. God knows I'm bored with it and outside of a few acts (Aquabats, etc.), nothing makes me wanna buy anything. oh and if you're looking for originality, check out www.myspace.com/lunchmusic, I didn't say it was good per say, but I also didn't say it wasn't a cheap plug. ...Wait what?
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Post by wolfmoon103100 on Dec 28, 2007 23:37:44 GMT -5
Most of my wife and get stuff like Type O negative,Clutch,Otep,Opeth.........Madonna.
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Post by Silent Brad on Dec 28, 2007 23:42:41 GMT -5
need i say more?
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Post by The OP on Dec 28, 2007 23:43:49 GMT -5
Most of my wife and get stuff like Type O negative,Clutch,Otep,Opeth.........Madonna. Have you been drinking? Be honest...
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