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Post by Ace Diamond on May 25, 2007 20:25:40 GMT -5
It's weird how when stories like this are told, and it features someone everyone favors, the common response is "well, I'll take this with a grain of salt" or "don't always believe what you read". But when it's featuring Batista, or Stephanie, or HHH, or anyone who isn't in favor of IWC, it's always "Why did he do that?" or "so that's what happened". Exaclty, but they want to hate them so much they'll take any excuse needed to fuel their fire. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Actually I didn't really have much issue at all with Batista until this came out. I didn't really believe the Booker T thing until this story popped up which seems to corroborate evidence as "Batista = pompous git"
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2007 21:10:28 GMT -5
It's weird how when stories like this are told, and it features someone everyone favors, the common response is "well, I'll take this with a grain of salt" or "don't always believe what you read". But when it's featuring Batista, or Stephanie, or HHH, or anyone who isn't in favor of IWC, it's always "Why did he do that?" or "so that's what happened". I agree. If it were the same situation. But with Chris Benoit and Torrie Wilson, Benoit would be applauded as a god around here.(Even more so than he already is) With that said. Batista already sucks enough in the ring and on mic. Where you don't need to believe backstage reports to find something to critisize him for.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 25, 2007 21:12:46 GMT -5
The sad thing is that I can honestly see this happening. The reason that this is sad is the fact that if this is true, Ariel, Sharmell, and any other diva that gets in trouble for not putting up with crap from any of HHH's buddies have a semi-viable case for harassment.
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Post by DeuceDominoMark on May 25, 2007 21:31:51 GMT -5
It's weird how when stories like this are told, and it features someone everyone favors, the common response is "well, I'll take this with a grain of salt" or "don't always believe what you read". But when it's featuring Batista, or Stephanie, or HHH, or anyone who isn't in favor of IWC, it's always "Why did he do that?" or "so that's what happened". I agree. If it were the same situation. But with Chris Benoit and Torrie Wilson, Benoit would be applauded as a god around here.(Even more so than he already is). Damn skippy!! Torrie Wilson: BAD example! During the Tough Enough competition, the enraged look on her face and the way she ripped the mic. out of that guy's hand when he sang: "Have I told you that Dawn Marie is hotter?". And then how she went over Dawn Marie in EVERY f'ing match... Gimmie a break!! Torrie's proved to be nothing but a female HHH! And I hadn't really been paying much attention to Torrie lately, but when I heard her talk on RAW the other night... OY!!! Nails on a chalkboard! As for Batista, I've read several reports stating how a lot of wrestlers compare his backstage 'tude to Warrior's. I dunno why, but I just can't bring myself to hate Warrior! However, now that I've gotten a possible example of what Batista is actually like backstage, now I understand why everyone else hates The Ultimate One.
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Post by Cibernético II on May 25, 2007 21:46:33 GMT -5
Batista is the biggest bimbo on the roster.
You wanna talk about untalented people hired solely for their looks? in my opinion, guys like Batista, Randy Orton, and (in a more retro sense) Shawn Micheals will never be blamed for any wrong doing because Vince (and family) have such hard-ons for them. Those kind of guys are treated like princesses will always have jobs as long as they look the way Vince enivsions that WWE wrestlers are supposed to look
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 25, 2007 21:49:08 GMT -5
O why drag Shawn Michales into this? Aside from being really good looking at the time, the man was oozing charisma, awesome wrestler, and was a heat machine. His Dickitude maginfied on camera gave him the it factor that makes main eventers... seperates a guy like Cena from a guy like Lashely (Lashley's actually an underrated worker in the ring)... Plus it's not like Vince had a lot of options at the time to turn to at the time... All the other people who were over were his friends...except Bret.
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Post by DeuceDominoMark on May 25, 2007 21:54:04 GMT -5
O why drag Shawn Michales into this? Aside from being really good looking at the time, the man was oozing charisma, awesome wrestler, and was a heat machine. His Dickitude maginfied on camera gave him the it factor that makes main eventers... seperates a guy like Cena from a guy like Lashely (Lashley's actually an underrated worker in the ring)... Plus it's not like Vince had a lot of options at the time to turn to at the time... All the other people who were over were his friends...except Bret. Tee-hee! For once, I'm not the one who ragged on Michaels. But, while on topic, let's get the facts straight, once and for all: Bret Hart > Shawn Michaels BUT... The Rockers > The Hart Foundation (sorry, my fellow Hitman marks, but it's true) Before Bret was screwed out of the World title, sadly, Hickenbottom and Jannetty were screwed out of the Tag titles...
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Post by acressl on May 25, 2007 21:55:16 GMT -5
Batista is the biggest bimbo on the roster. You wanna talk about untalented people hired solely for their looks? in my opinion, guys like Batista, Randy Orton, and (in a more retro sense) Shawn Micheals will never be blamed for any wrong doing because Vince (and family) have such hard-ons for them. Those kind of guys are treated like princesses will always have jobs as long as they look the way Vince enivsions that WWE wrestlers are supposed to look I agree mostly, but I don't think you can lump HBK in there as easily. Sure, they love him to death, but he is (but mostly was) a top level performer. Putting him next to Randy and Dave isn't fair. I don't even think it's fair to put Randy next to Dave. Though both get away with murder and sit at the top.
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Post by bob on May 25, 2007 22:13:54 GMT -5
wow...Batista calling someones ring work lazy...that is the pot calling the kettle black
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Post by angryfan on May 25, 2007 22:15:33 GMT -5
I can see to a point this just being more smarkbait or ammo for hating Batista, but is that really necessary? Stories like this started coming out when he was still "training" down in OVW for God's sake. Tom Pritchard was the trainer at that point, and said frequently that Dave was a guy that would no show training sessions, throw attitude at the trainers, and then, when called on his less than stellar attempts to learn or even show up to be trained, would bring in an excuse note FROM HIS WIFE.
Personally, I think much of this current story, in most cases, sounds way too overdone, but considering the individual in question, it's possible.
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Post by Ace Diamond on May 25, 2007 22:18:00 GMT -5
I can see to a point this just being more smarkbait or ammo for hating Batista, but is that really necessary? Stories like this started coming out when he was still "training" down in OVW for God's sake. Tom Pritchard was the trainer at that point, and said frequently that Dave was a guy that would no show training sessions, throw attitude at the trainers, and then, when called on his less than stellar attempts to learn or even show up to be trained, would bring in an excuse note FROM HIS WIFE. ...Dear friggin god if he didn't buddy up with Triple H he would've NEVER made it in this business.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on May 25, 2007 22:18:24 GMT -5
That's the workplace for you. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 25, 2007 22:54:41 GMT -5
Batista needs to go back to the river where Synn conjured him up from.
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Post by thesunbeast on May 25, 2007 23:47:29 GMT -5
The thing that puzzles me just a little, is how alot of people think that you have to be a HHH buddy to be in right standing. HHH is a guy who has backstage influence, just like anyone else who has it, and he's someone who can look at someone in the ring and think weather or not their worth putting some work into, just like anyone else backstage. When an agent (producer) takes a liking to someone, and even becomes friends, it's because he sees something in him in the first place, and with the right training, can become a star, thats what a good agent is soppossed to do. HHH helping and grooming Batista is no different than Arn Anderson helping Candice Michelle. If the two become friends or whatever, then fine. If Candice Michelle became women's champion, people saying that she only got the nod because Arn Anderson helped her might be right, but that's what you're suppossed to do.
It's when that DOSEN'T happen that there's a problem. It's when the HHH's and the Arn Anderson's and the Finlay's and the Steamboat's and Undertaker's don't favor and help someone get over, is when there's going to be major damage to the business. That's a problem that existed in the old days and in WCW.
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Post by acressl on May 25, 2007 23:49:54 GMT -5
The thing that puzzles me just a little, is how alot of people think that you have to be a HHH buddy to be in right standing. HHH is a guy who has backstage influence, just like anyone else who has it, and he's someone who can look at someone in the ring and think weather or not their worth putting some work into, just like anyone else backstage. When an agent (producer) takes a liking to someone, and even becomes friends, it's because he sees something in him in the first place, and with the right training, can become a star, thats what a good agent is soppossed to do. HHH helping and grooming Batista is no different than Arn Anderson helping Candice Michelle. If the two become friends or whatever, then fine. If Candice Michelle became women's champion, people saying that she only got the nod because Arn Anderson helped her might be right, but that's what you're soppossed to do. It's when that DOSEN'T happen that there's a problem. It's when the HHH's and the Arn Anderson's and the Finlay's and the Steamboat's and Undertaker's don't favor and help someone get over, is when there's going to be major damage to the business. That's a problem that existed in the old days and in WCW. But Candice is always getting better under AA's tutelage and Batista still blows.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2007 23:54:54 GMT -5
Candice is already a better wrestler than Batista, haha.
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Post by thesunbeast on May 25, 2007 23:57:56 GMT -5
The thing that puzzles me just a little, is how alot of people think that you have to be a HHH buddy to be in right standing. HHH is a guy who has backstage influence, just like anyone else who has it, and he's someone who can look at someone in the ring and think weather or not their worth putting some work into, just like anyone else backstage. When an agent (producer) takes a liking to someone, and even becomes friends, it's because he sees something in him in the first place, and with the right training, can become a star, thats what a good agent is soppossed to do. HHH helping and grooming Batista is no different than Arn Anderson helping Candice Michelle. If the two become friends or whatever, then fine. If Candice Michelle became women's champion, people saying that she only got the nod because Arn Anderson helped her might be right, but that's what you're soppossed to do. It's when that DOSEN'T happen that there's a problem. It's when the HHH's and the Arn Anderson's and the Finlay's and the Steamboat's and Undertaker's don't favor and help someone get over, is when there's going to be major damage to the business. That's a problem that existed in the old days and in WCW. But Candice is always getting better under AA's tutelage and Batista still blows. Batista, by margain, isn't as good as say, Undertaker, who we'll use as the measuring stick here, but he isn't all that bad. Candice Machelle isn't as good as say, Trish Stratus, who we'll use as the measuring stick here for her division. By comparison based off of expectations, Batista is a whole heck of alot better than Candice Machelle. I wasn't comparing the two though, just trying to prove a point. Arn Anderson isn't really helping Candice anyway, just using an analogy.
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Post by acressl on May 26, 2007 0:06:15 GMT -5
But Candice is always getting better under AA's tutelage and Batista still blows. Batista, by margain, isn't as good as say, Undertaker, who we'll use as the measuring stick here, but he isn't all that bad. Candice Machelle isn't as good as say, Trish Stratus, who we'll use as the measuring stick here for her division. By comparison based off of expectations, Batista is a whole heck of alot better than Candice Machelle. I wasn't comparing the two though, just trying to prove a point. Arn Anderson isn't really helping Candice anyway, just using an analogy. We've improperly crossed some wires, I think. I get your point, I was just trying to simultaneously take a cheap shot at Batista (it's fashionable, you know) and give Candice some props for her improvement as of late. Nothing deeper. My faulty wording had you under the impression I was challenging your viewpoint when in fact I was simply trying to crack wise. I'm simple folk.
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Post by thesunbeast on May 26, 2007 0:23:53 GMT -5
Batista, by margain, isn't as good as say, Undertaker, who we'll use as the measuring stick here, but he isn't all that bad. Candice Machelle isn't as good as say, Trish Stratus, who we'll use as the measuring stick here for her division. By comparison based off of expectations, Batista is a whole heck of alot better than Candice Machelle. I wasn't comparing the two though, just trying to prove a point. Arn Anderson isn't really helping Candice anyway, just using an analogy. We've improperly crossed some wires, I think. I get your point, I was just trying to simultaneously take a cheap shot at Batista (it's fashionable, you know) and give Candice some props for her improvement as of late. Nothing deeper. My faulty wording had you under the impression I was challenging your viewpoint when in fact I was simply trying to crack wise. I'm simple folk. I see. Batista's actually a nice guy y'know, I've met him at a casino, he's pretty cool. Real quiet, but real humble as well. He was mobbed at his car when he got out by like 20 people, they would'nt let him move past his own door, so he could see his daughter who was waiting for him about 30 ft away. He refused a few autographs at this point though saying that he didn't have time, but instead of getting mad, he was just joking around with everyone untill they moved. He was picking out people in the small crowd that he though could beat him up, so he would be nice. He went and ate with his daughter at a restaraunt for like 2 hours, but afterward, he walked back to the same parking lot and let everyone fallow with him, and then offered to sign every autograph there and take pictures. My friend even had the gaul to fallow him to the booth where Batista was gambling at on the machine, while he was on the phone. My friend was in the parking lot earlier and decided not to get an autograph. I told him that he shouldn't do it, that it might be rude, but my friend decided to do it anyway. It was 3:00 in the morning, Batista was in an empty booth section all by himself gambling on a machine, talking to a family member (I think) on the phone. My friend walked right up to the booth section, walked down the stairs, walked right up to the machine Batista was sitting at, and asked him for an autgraph. Batista stopped gambling, got off the phone, and signed my friends autograph no problem, and gave him a little nod. He had to be up first thing in the morning too, pretty nice gesture.
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Post by David Otunga: Eternian at Law on May 26, 2007 1:13:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this has been posted, but it's from Shelly's blog on her myspace...
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