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Post by paulonorcatto on Jan 25, 2007 19:19:10 GMT -5
i was having a conversation over at bjwfans and we were wondering how big bjw were in japan. obviously we had noah, new japan and all japan ahead. most of us were in agreement that the next level was zero1 max, dragongate and bjw.
but what order would u put these six companies?
ive got it like
1. noah
2. new japan
3. all japan
4. dragongate
5. big japan
6. zero1 max
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 25, 2007 19:48:35 GMT -5
HUSTLE is pretty big. Well, at least they are making a profit.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 25, 2007 19:50:24 GMT -5
Yeah HUSTLE is neck and neck with NOAH in terms of number one company.
New Japan and All Japan are below them in terms of money.
Dragon Gate is the biggest indie in japan, bigger than Big Japan.
wow it seems like the list the forumers on your site made was from back in 2001
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Post by paulonorcatto on Jan 25, 2007 19:50:44 GMT -5
actually yeah HUSTLE have drawn some huge crowds, they dont tour as much as the other companies tho.
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Post by paulonorcatto on Jan 25, 2007 19:54:19 GMT -5
Yeah HUSTLE is neck and neck with NOAH in terms of number one company. New Japan and All Japan are below them in terms of money. Dragon Gate is the biggest indie in japan, bigger than Big Japan. wow it seems like the list the forumers on your site made was from back in 2001 lol, your probably right. we are getting bigger. tho i did origianlly have dragon gate bigger anyways but they did have a bit of a drop last year. my revised list 1. noah 2. HUSTLE 3. new japan 4. all japan 5. dragon gate 6. big japan 7. zero1 max |
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jan 25, 2007 20:25:09 GMT -5
In terms of merchandise and name recognition, NJPW gets the nod, but they've sucked big time in the last few years. All Japan nearly died in 2001-02 and at least they're doing good right now. They have that underdog vibe to them. NOAH is the hottest of the Big Three in Japan. As long as they vhave solid matches, they will draw good.
And it absolutely astonishes me that HUSTLE is making good money. Compared to their early days where they loss A TON of money, it's amazing in how two years they've turned it around.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 25, 2007 21:38:30 GMT -5
In terms of merchandise and name recognition, NJPW gets the nod, but they've sucked big time in the last few years. All Japan nearly died in 2001-02 and at least they're doing good right now. They have that underdog vibe to them. NOAH is the hottest of the Big Three in Japan. As long as they vhave solid matches, they will draw good. And it absolutely astonishes me that HUSTLE is making good money. Compared to their early days where they loss A TON of money, it's amazing in how two years they've turned it around. It seems when you try to make it a spectacle pure Sports-entertainment show featuring WRESTLERS who look cool, and merchandise that you wouldn't be embarrassed to wear. along with marketing it towards kids and teens/twenty-something hipsters. It will be seen as something cool to go to. it's a big comedy show actually. Most of the crowd is filled with kids or People who try to be cool it's not as nerdy as NOAH, all japan, or new japan..eheheh |
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Post by samachine on Jan 25, 2007 21:41:09 GMT -5
Last time I read NJPW is top and NOAH is closely behind them. Don't know where people are getting them being so low..
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Post by AmericanDragon420 on Jan 25, 2007 21:55:27 GMT -5
Last time I read NJPW is top and NOAH is closely behind them. Don't know where people are getting them being so low.. Yeah thats what I always hear. Noah and NJPW being neck and neck for 1st and 2nd... |
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on Jan 25, 2007 21:55:54 GMT -5
can we put these companies in perspective to american companies(big and indie) to someone like myself who doesn't know much
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 25, 2007 22:19:09 GMT -5
I remember reading here and there that NJPW had better ratings and merchandise sales, NOAH had the better live attendances. Not sure how true that is, with the way NOAH apparently pads their attendance reports...
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 25, 2007 22:19:27 GMT -5
Last time I read NJPW is top and NOAH is closely behind them. Don't know where people are getting them being so low.. Well I think right now that NJPW has picked up ever since Yuke's pick them up from their deathbed. Sanrio makers of Hello Kitty and Kerope... have become investors in All Japan, that's a good thing. they both have slowly became more and more stable. hmm I really think All Japan is the most enjoyable though. All Japan and New Japan have recently join forces and are the oldest feds in japan at 35 years a piece. They are seen as "WWE" kind of base. NOAh meanwhile is Misawa taking away All Japan's biggest draws (sans kawada). They took the all Japan fan base away. but All japan has built up a newer fanbase. A lot of their fans also view WWe, and Mutoh books shows with a WWE attitude type of feel. New Japan has been restructured into a company hoping to go back to the top. They are an institution like WWE are with toukon shops and other things. Plus they create the coolest looking shirts. Dragon Gate is the top indie promotion in japan. Drawing in both Females and the weirdo 40 year old gays...eheh. HUSTLE is the top money making promotion in japan and they have connections with Dreamstage... When pride is floundering, HUSTLE prospers...eheh... Oh and If I were to put it in "Established 3" since HUSTLE is Pro Wrestling Opera...eheh. NOAH=WCW New Japan=WWE All Japan=ECW |
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Post by paulonorcatto on Jan 26, 2007 6:56:25 GMT -5
it would seen that all the top comapanies are very close together then.
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