JLAJRC
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Post by JLAJRC on Jan 17, 2007 19:59:46 GMT -5
There's no point in doing a scaffold match. Essentially, the whole thing exists only to see someone fall really far and do one dangerous bump. You can't have a good match up there, and even if you did, nobody would care, because they just want to see some guy fall really far. You might as well not even bother with the match and have someone jump off a ledge or balcony or something. Then again, you could also just have a regular match, and leave dangerous, stupid and unnecessary falls like that to movie stuntmen. But isn't that also the point of ladder/MITB and TLC matches. To see all those insane spots. Especially when they use the ladder that is almost twice as big as the regular ladder.
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Post by mragent on Jan 17, 2007 20:15:51 GMT -5
Well if it was done like this it could work.
You need a cowardly heel (who has a manager) and a solid babyface who for whatever reason really wants revenge against the heel. Then when the match comes it could start off with the face getting his shine in and keep trying to toss off the heel who finds cheap ways to keep from taking the fall.
Then have him cheat by pulling hair or whatever and ground the face and taunt the ground. Use this to build up heat and drama. Have your face try and break free a couple times only to get eye poked or some other trick to stop him and keep him grounded.
Suddenly the heel gets cocky and goes for the big finish but the face powers out. The heel runs away while the manager knocks down the ref. Then you could have your cowardly heel climb down quickly and lay in the middle of the ring. The ref gets up, see the heel on the mat puts two and two together and declares the face the winner. Fans are pissed that they don't get their spot and boo.
The face obviously pissed about this pulls a saturn and splashes or elbows the heel (who is still pretending to be dead in the ring) off the scaffold. That way the face gets over huge as a guy willing to do anything the heel doesn't look weak, the crowd gets their huge spot but it has build up, meaning, and for a moment they didn't think they would get their payoff so its even more powerful.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 17, 2007 20:30:32 GMT -5
JLAJRC: You make an interesting point about the wrong kind of wrestlers doing scaffold matches, but as so many others have pointed out, scaffold matches are too dangerous, and should not be performed. These men are, after all, professional wrestlers, not stunt men.
As far as wrestlers taking more risks, that may sadly be true, but as others have pointed out, ladder matches are a lot more exciting yet a lot less dangerous. At least with a ladder match, the crowd can see everything that the wrestlers are doing, whereas the height of a scaffold match makes it difficult to get a good sense of what is going on.
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EJS
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Post by EJS on Jan 17, 2007 20:46:27 GMT -5
WCW had one that took place over by the stage/tron area in 2000. That works better since the area to fight is significantly more than a scaffold that is over the ring. Problem there is they're pretty far away from a good deal of the audience.
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Post by dennisisevil on Jan 17, 2007 21:18:09 GMT -5
No it'd be just as bad because the wrestlers would be more worried about not falling off than about trying to sell or work their moves. Even if workrate barons like CM Punk were doing the match it still wouldn't matter because the fans would be more obsessed with seeing somebody take a spill. I doubt WWE is gonna do it because Vince already had enough lawsuits following Owen's death he doesn't need more. They don't work and they're too dangerous.
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Post by paulonorcatto on Jan 18, 2007 6:52:19 GMT -5
does anybody remember the one that xpw held when angel was shot with a tranq gun and fell off the 40 foot scaffold into an exploding ring. that was pretty cool.
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KLRA
El Dandy
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Post by KLRA on Jan 18, 2007 7:12:40 GMT -5
ECW had a couple decent scaffold matches that weren't made out to be anything more than they were. And Saturn did do a nice HOLY S*** move in one.
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Post by mragent on Jan 18, 2007 7:18:42 GMT -5
I don't think Saturn was in a scaffold match. He just climbed up it and used it if I remember correctly.
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JLAJRC
Don Corleone
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Post by JLAJRC on Jan 18, 2007 14:33:24 GMT -5
It's one thing to bump off the top of a cage. It's another to bump off a scaffold, which is even higher and harder to control. What if the scaffold was the same height as the cage? 16-20 ft?
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jan 19, 2007 14:34:45 GMT -5
Well if it was done like this it could work. You need a cowardly heel (who has a manager) and a solid babyface who for whatever reason really wants revenge against the heel. Then when the match comes it could start off with the face getting his shine in and keep trying to toss off the heel who finds cheap ways to keep from taking the fall. Then have him cheat by pulling hair or whatever and ground the face and taunt the ground. Use this to build up heat and drama. Have your face try and break free a couple times only to get eye poked or some other trick to stop him and keep him grounded. Suddenly the heel gets cocky and goes for the big finish but the face powers out. The heel runs away while the manager knocks down the ref. Then you could have your cowardly heel climb down quickly and lay in the middle of the ring. The ref gets up, see the heel on the mat puts two and two together and declares the face the winner. Fans are pissed that they don't get their spot and boo. The face obviously pissed about this pulls a saturn and splashes or elbows the heel (who is still pretending to be dead in the ring) off the scaffold. That way the face gets over huge as a guy willing to do anything the heel doesn't look weak, the crowd gets their huge spot but it has build up, meaning, and for a moment they didn't think they would get their payoff so its even more powerful. Good idea. I also like the ladder match-ish suggestion, where the titles or some other item's hanging above the scaffold and you have to climb up there. It would make for more interesting pursuits, because not only are you fighting to keep 'em from climbing, but once they're up there, you've still got plenty of room to fight and have your HOLY SHIITE MUSLIM (thanks, Guy From Fuse That Was On Queer Eye!) bumps off the scaffold.
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