It seems the tides have turned.

[Corporate H]

I know I'm going to catch hell for this but...

WWE's Tag Division is on the rise while TNA's division (thanks to VKM and the murdering of AMW, the Naturals, Daniels and Styles) is going in a downward spiral. How'da thunk it? What do you guys think? It seems like it happened over night.

[MGH]

I agree, and especially if they go back to The Hardyz and MNM again. TNA still have some good teams, especially LAX, but WWE seems to at least be TRYING to put some teams on finally.

[emoney3265]

WWE's RAW tag team division will not grow so as long as Rated RKO is a team and the champs. I didn't notice that TNA's tag team division was losing a lot of teams. LAX is awesome and well 3D is annoying with Ray all fat and Devon roided. Runt is cool though.

Papparazzi Productions can be good. Serotonin should be pushed as they could be incredible. Elix Skipper should join forces with someone such as Chase Stevens or Senshi (Not sure if the XXX disbanding would count towards that). They do seriously need an extra two or three teams though.

[JMA]

Randy Orton should win the IC title from Jeff via help from Edge, leading Jeff to bring Matt in as back-up. Then the Hardys can beat Rated RKO for the titles. From there, they would feud with MNM (Nitro would bring Mercury in as back-up, just as Jeff did with Matt). If you add WGTT to the mix then you've got a good triple threat tag match for WrestleMania.

[vinniemac]

mygreatesthour said:

I agree, and especially if they go back to The Hardyz and MNM again. TNA still have some good teams, especially LAX, but WWE seems to at least be TRYING to put some teams on finally.

After nearly 4 years of having killed tag teams

Sorry, though: LAX > CRYME TIME. There's something very,very creepy and disturbing about a booking comittee made up of absolutely NO black Americans booking a very racist, stereotypically lame WWF/E gangsta tag team. Of course, they are buffoons.

LAX: dead serious. Hernandez and hernandez have solid chemistry, and the gimmick - while bording on really ugly xenophobia in its early days - has turned into a legitimate, hot-ticket heel faction that can deliver in the ring and back up the heated promos of their jeffe: Konnan.

AMW had run their course. They were alright in the ring, but still ahve a long, long, LONG way to go in developing charisma. Between the two, Chris Harris is better off getting time on his own. James Storm - needs work. Find him another partner and get rid of the beer bottle crap. He's not Sandman and lacks hte panache to carry it off. It ocmeso ff half-assed.

VKM are irrelevant. The worst thing to happen to BG James in TNA happened when they brought in the value-less, never put an ass in seats outside of his own: Monty Sopp. Even though 3 Live Crew had run their course, the induction of "Kip James" pretty much jumped the shark and got eaten by it at the same time. Ron Killings is charismatic enough to at least get over with the fans, regardless of how poorly TNA book 'em, or what never-will-be they tie to him like an anchor (Lance Hoyt, anyone?). Konnan benefitted from LAX. BG - well, he's floundering and stinking up the joint just like he did with Billy Gunn/James?Sopp in the WWF. Then, like now - they needed to ride the coattails of Trips and Shawn to have some semblence of importance. Still: they're so out of the tag team picture that they are now totally irrelevant. I don't even consider them a "tag team," since they aren't doing anything.

Styles & Daniels as a tag team: they can deliver in-ring, btu there was a chemistry missing. In fact, bring back Elix Skipper and pair 'em with Daniels and let that version of Triple X run again. Better chemistry and it frees up A. J. to stick wit hthe X-Division and help rebuild the damage Kevin Nash has done to it.

TEAM 3-D lack fire. In their HUSTLE appearances they're wrestling on par with their ECW and WWF/E runs. There's a fire in their ring work and they seem to actually enjoy what they're doing nad put no a good show. Watching them in TNA is like having their volume turend down - and I pin it on them. Since they did put over AMW, I won't write them off, but they desperately need to get into a hot blooded feud with AMW. If they can show some of that old, Dudley fire then I could see them regaining some stock.

Christian & Tomko should be a tag team. It'd be better for busines than to have it squandered in another forgettable feud with Abyss, and special guest, phone-it-in Sting. Tomko & Cage have the storyline history, some chemistry between their personalities, and I thnk they could easily compliment each other as a tag team for a whiel, until the division is off life support.

Yeah, TNA need to patch up the tag division. Wasting time with VKM, another, tired, old, uninteresting, half-assed Raven "faction," and Kevin Nash has cost them the solid focus they once had on their three straps. There's nothing wrong with the solid Joe/Angle saga dominating the show, but there's a serious lack of anything to support it on the undercard. Abyss as champ? It's lasted longer than Rhino's run but has been less eventful. I honestly don't care about who gets the strap between Sting, Abyss or Christian. Until Jerry Lynn steps into the ring, I don't care abotu the X-Division title, since the whole division is simply rendered a joke under the watch of Kevin Nash. It has become teh Nash division. Sad.

And, yeah, the tag team division could easily be revitalized if LAX were given more people to feud with. and a little more emphasis on the value of the belts.

Still, WWE's "tag" divisions are pathetic. they make TNA's "life support" seem downright full of vitality. SMACKDOWN has one recognizable tag team: Kendrick & London.

K. C. James & Idol Stevens seemed to have disappeared after having no build up whatsoever.

The reunited Blue Bloods are promising, but Dave taylor's injury out 'em on the burner, and it'll be a while before he's 100% to go full time (ladder match withstanding). So, that's a positive, so long as WWE don't f@#k up the booking and stick with them as a team.

Still, having Kendrick & London run with the straps was as pointless as Gregory Helms and his "Crusierweight" title. With no real divsion (in booking or in the roster) what value is there to it? Jobbing him out on the upper card doesn't help the importance of that. having Kendrick & London feud doesn't help the status of their team, either. It's the same kind of piss poor booking.

RAW: the Hardys are a special attraction. I don't view the mas a viable team because they aren't working regularly as a team.

Cade & Murdoch: they were jobbed out so much and made to look weak, and then stuck on heat for so long that they aren't relevant.

Super Crazy & Hacksaw Duggan? Same old, "let's slap two guys together to fill a spot," scrambled eggs team. No viable booking future there, unless it's for comedy.

The ony team on RAW that has any potential are Haas & Benjamin, but even then - they're booked like crap - and The Highlanders - who WWE have booked almost as poorly as Cade & Murdoch, but they still have a cohesive thing going on as a team. Still, it's anotehr comedic team.

WWE tag teams = comedy. Yawn.

So, why should I care who has the strap or who wants it? All of their teams are jokes.

But yes, they have teams - which TNA needs to form in order to save one of their assets: a viable top, heel tag team in LAX, and a salvagable Team 3-D (if their hearts are in it).

I think WWE's tag division are worse off. It'll take a year of solid booing to make one of the brand's tag divisions seem viable and interesting.

[Sajoa Moe]

I'll suggest what many have already suggested to TNA:

Bring in the Briscoes.

[Joekishi]

TEAM 3-D lack fire. In their HUSTLE appearances they're wrestling on par with their ECW and WWF/E runs. There's a fire in their ring work and they seem to actually enjoy what they're doing nad put no a good show. Watching them in TNA is like having their volume turend down - and I pin it on them. Since they did put over AMW, I won't write them off, but they desperately need to get into a hot blooded feud with AMW. If they can show some of that old, Dudley fire then I could see them regaining some stock.

I think that mostly has to do with Bubba Being called Bubba in Hustle, and with them getting to do big shows in front of big crowds who will react to their moves. They aren't forced into being anti-WWE and aren't forced to work a certain match.

they work the matches they want to work in front of big WWE-style crowds, for tons of money.

[emoney3265]

evrbody said:

I'll suggest what many have already suggested to TNA:

Bring in the Briscoes.

Great idea. I don't know though that they'd sign because of TNA's new stupid contracts where TNA controls their indy bookings. TNA Management is really pissing me off.

[Corporate H]

vinniemac said:

mygreatesthour said:

I agree, and especially if they go back to The Hardyz and MNM again. TNA still have some good teams, especially LAX, but WWE seems to at least be TRYING to put some teams on finally.

After nearly 4 years of having killed tag teams

Sorry, though: LAX > CRYME TIME. There's something very,very creepy and disturbing about a booking comittee made up of absolutely NO black Americans booking a very racist, stereotypically lame WWF/E gangsta tag team. Of course, they are buffoons.

LAX: dead serious. Hernandez and hernandez have solid chemistry, and the gimmick - while bording on really ugly xenophobia in its early days - has turned into a legitimate, hot-ticket heel faction that can deliver in the ring and back up the heated promos of their jeffe: Konnan.

AMW had run their course. They were alright in the ring, but still ahve a long, long, LONG way to go in developing charisma. Between the two, Chris Harris is better off getting time on his own. James Storm - needs work. Find him another partner and get rid of the beer bottle crap. He's not Sandman and lacks hte panache to carry it off. It ocmeso ff half-assed.

VKM are irrelevant. The worst thing to happen to BG James in TNA happened when they brought in the value-less, never put an ass in seats outside of his own: Monty Sopp. Even though 3 Live Crew had run their course, the induction of "Kip James" pretty much jumped the shark and got eaten by it at the same time. Ron Killings is charismatic enough to at least get over with the fans, regardless of how poorly TNA book 'em, or what never-will-be they tie to him like an anchor (Lance Hoyt, anyone?). Konnan benefitted from LAX. BG - well, he's floundering and stinking up the joint just like he did with Billy Gunn/James?Sopp in the WWF. Then, like now - they needed to ride the coattails of Trips and Shawn to have some semblence of importance. Still: they're so out of the tag team picture that they are now totally irrelevant. I don't even consider them a "tag team," since they aren't doing anything.

Styles & Daniels as a tag team: they can deliver in-ring, btu there was a chemistry missing. In fact, bring back Elix Skipper and pair 'em with Daniels and let that version of Triple X run again. Better chemistry and it frees up A. J. to stick wit hthe X-Division and help rebuild the damage Kevin Nash has done to it.

TEAM 3-D lack fire. In their HUSTLE appearances they're wrestling on par with their ECW and WWF/E runs. There's a fire in their ring work and they seem to actually enjoy what they're doing nad put no a good show. Watching them in TNA is like having their volume turend down - and I pin it on them. Since they did put over AMW, I won't write them off, but they desperately need to get into a hot blooded feud with AMW. If they can show some of that old, Dudley fire then I could see them regaining some stock.

Christian & Tomko should be a tag team. It'd be better for busines than to have it squandered in another forgettable feud with Abyss, and special guest, phone-it-in Sting. Tomko & Cage have the storyline history, some chemistry between their personalities, and I thnk they could easily compliment each other as a tag team for a whiel, until the division is off life support.

Yeah, TNA need to patch up the tag division. Wasting time with VKM, another, tired, old, uninteresting, half-assed Raven "faction," and Kevin Nash has cost them the solid focus they once had on their three straps. There's nothing wrong with the solid Joe/Angle saga dominating the show, but there's a serious lack of anything to support it on the undercard. Abyss as champ? It's lasted longer than Rhino's run but has been less eventful. I honestly don't care about who gets the strap between Sting, Abyss or Christian. Until Jerry Lynn steps into the ring, I don't care abotu the X-Division title, since the whole division is simply rendered a joke under the watch of Kevin Nash. It has become teh Nash division. Sad.

And, yeah, the tag team division could easily be revitalized if LAX were given more people to feud with. and a little more emphasis on the value of the belts.

Still, WWE's "tag" divisions are pathetic. they make TNA's "life support" seem downright full of vitality. SMACKDOWN has one recognizable tag team: Kendrick & London.

K. C. James & Idol Stevens seemed to have disappeared after having no build up whatsoever.

The reunited Blue Bloods are promising, but Dave taylor's injury out 'em on the burner, and it'll be a while before he's 100% to go full time (ladder match withstanding). So, that's a positive, so long as WWE don't f@#k up the booking and stick with them as a team.

Still, having Kendrick & London run with the straps was as pointless as Gregory Helms and his "Crusierweight" title. With no real divsion (in booking or in the roster) what value is there to it? Jobbing him out on the upper card doesn't help the importance of that. having Kendrick & London feud doesn't help the status of their team, either. It's the same kind of piss poor booking.

RAW: the Hardys are a special attraction. I don't view the mas a viable team because they aren't working regularly as a team.

Cade & Murdoch: they were jobbed out so much and made to look weak, and then stuck on heat for so long that they aren't relevant.

Super Crazy & Hacksaw Duggan? Same old, "let's slap two guys together to fill a spot," scrambled eggs team. No viable booking future there, unless it's for comedy.

The ony team on RAW that has any potential are Haas & Benjamin, but even then - they're booked like crap - and The Highlanders - who WWE have booked almost as poorly as Cade & Murdoch, but they still have a cohesive thing going on as a team. Still, it's anotehr comedic team.

WWE tag teams = comedy. Yawn.

So, why should I care who has the strap or who wants it? All of their teams are jokes.

But yes, they have teams - which TNA needs to form in order to save one of their assets: a viable top, heel tag team in LAX, and a salvagable Team 3-D (if their hearts are in it).

I think WWE's tag division are worse off. It'll take a year of solid booing to make one of the brand's tag divisions seem viable and interesting.

I get it, you don't like WWE, but there's no denying that at this point in time TNA's Tag Devision is inferior to WWE's. Don't worry, they'll go back to sucking soon I'm sure.

[MCP Hates You]

evrbody said:

I'll suggest what many have already suggested to TNA:

Bring in the Briscoes.

LAX manning up against the Briscoes would be the greatest.

[vinniemac]

emoney3265 said:

WWE's RAW tag team division will not grow so as long as Rated RKO is a team and the champs.

True. Their recent feud with DX, it goes beyond a "tag division" and makes the undercard tag teams seem irrelevant (more than the poor booking since 2003 has). In fact, those titles were irrelevant to the feud and got lost in the shuffle of the history between DX 2006 and Edge & Orton.

Then, given that there are only two other viable teams (Haas & Benjamin & The Highlanders) - it doesn't help. WWE killed Cade & Murdoch's futures on RAW (move the mto SMACKDOWN, where they can rebuild and bring more to that brand's weak tag divison situation) that doesn't help matters. Not building up their undercard has hurt WWE on all fronts (SMACKDOWN, RAW and ECW). The Triple H 5th annual quad tear really puts the microsope on their myopic booking mistakes/laziness/antiquated thinking on Vince's part.

I didn't notice that TNA's tag team division was losing a lot of teams. LAX is awesome and well 3D is annoying with Ray all fat and Devon roided. Runt is cool though.

How is Ray being fat, annoying? That's some non-sequator thinking worthy of a WWE creative team member! Ray ahs ALWAYS been fat. In fac,t he was a better worker when he was 400 pounds, than he has been in TNA, as of late!

Team 3D are not annoying, more than they are simply directionless. Really. Since coming back there program consists of spinning their wheels and trying to bring back the real ECW days of Dudley-dom, where it was little Spike against Buh-Buh and Devon. This time it's heel Spike and baby face Buh-Buh & Devon. How original...

Papparazzi Productions can be good.

Tied down by association with Kevin Nash - AND - the stupid Nash divison booking. Still, if they were booked in that direction (as a credible tag team) over half a year then it could work. They're small, but their athelticism makes up for that when they take on bigger, power-move guys (read: Team 3D). they would compliment a program with LAX in terms of style and ring work, too. It's just this matter of having them tied to Kevin Nash as he decimates the X Divison. Give it back to the X and set these guys losoe on teh tage division and then the biggest hurdle towards packaging Papazazzi as a credible tag team will have been conquered.

Serotonin should be pushed as they could be incredible.

Dressing up a bunch of guys who can't get over on their own in 1982 Adam & The Ants costumes and repeating an ECW gimmick from 1995 as filtered through 1998 WCW in 2007 doesn't cut it.

The worst thing to happen to Frankie Kazarian and Matt Bentley was when Kazarian split for WWE a few years ago. They couldn't regain their momentum and are now in a dead-in-the-water faction taht has been booked only to job, with a storyline that goes absolutely NOWHERE.

It's too bad, really.

Elix Skipper

Bring back the second version of Triple X. he and Daniels had chemistry and could work nicely in a new tag division. Creatively, Daniels is spinning his heels in this silly A. J. Styles feud that failed because Styles can't pull it off on his end. Daniels is the mic man and performer (in an acting sense). Something is very lopsided when a promotion takes the non-talker/actor and places him front and center as the voice that funnels the rivalry..... As for bad blood friendships: freindship is a concept I suspect the people booking it wouldn't know, even if it was to come up and bite them on their asses, let alone be able to book such things.

So, place Daniels somewhere that will keep him fresh. It is ironic that bringing back something a little old and mostly forgotten would do the trick: Triple X. Hell, reunite the original: Low Ki & Daniels. Version 1 or 2 (wit hSkipper) woudl work.

should join forces with someone such as Chase Stevens or Senshi (Not sure if the XXX disbanding would count towards that). They do seriously need an extra two or three teams though.

Pair Stevens with "Cowboy" James Storm. Harris is ready to improve as a single's wrestler. He needs to head down that road. Storm isn't ready as a single's wrestler. Nor is Stevens. Pair them together and you might have something.

[vinniemac]

evrbody said:

I'll suggest what many have already suggested to TNA:

Bring in the Briscoes.

A good idea.

Do it in time. Let the boys have a good run in NOAH. The experience they get there will only benefit them in the long run. After their run with NOAH as a top tag team calms down, bring them in with a solid push.

[dorf]

Find him another partner and get rid of the beer bottle crap. He's not Sandman and lacks hte panache to carry it off. It ocmeso ff half-assed.

Yeah, but he did the drunken cowboy gimmick with that beer bottle. Its his "weapon," while Sandman goes for the beer cans and is more of a city slicker. Both of AMW could use some improvement and this angle helps.

[vinniemac]

bencrocker said:

I get it, you don't like WWE, but there's no denying that at this point in time TNA's Tag Devision is inferior to WWE's. Don't worry, they'll go back to sucking soon I'm sure.

No, you don't "get it."

I don't like bad wrestling. Period. WWE just has the highest per-capita, per/show concentration of it, and on an international basis.

Now, if you want to actually read what I wrote and look at the very salient points I brought up and address them, I'm all "ears."

TNA with LAX > WWE's cluster f@#k of a slap-dash "tag team" division (on three brands no less!).

[Andrew is Good]

Raw's tag team division can be summed up in one word: Improving.

They need to bring some teams up from OVW and DSW though, especially DSW. Their Tag Team Championship is on par with their DSW Title, and they have some great teams there. Some teams who should be brought up from the developmentals though are:

Urban Assult: Eric Perez and Sonny Siaki. A tremendous team with great chemistry. They have the street gang type gimmick, and their in ring skills are amazing. Siaki is a well known talent anyway, being a former TNA X-Division Champion, and Perez is a name you'll definitely hear down the road.

The Gymini: They are so much better then what Smackdown brought up as Simon Dean's chronies. Decent mic skills, and great tag team chemistry. Plus a hot valet to boot (who can actually wrestle and was a member of the Embassy in ROH).

The Untouchables: The fact that Duece Shade and Dice Domino aren't on either Raw or Smackdown is a tragedy. Definitely the best tag team on the developmentals and could be one of the best in the WWE if given the chance. Their 50s Greaser gimmick is awesome as well.

[EvilMasterBetty, Esq.]

Sorry, but i'll take WWE's "haphazard", IYO crappy tag teams than TNA's ONE GOOD f***ING TEAM and two washed up teams that got old with the change in millenium.

Paparazzi hasn't been on TV wrestling in weeks. I still haven't seen Kazarian/Shane on TV. Face it, TNA has no tag division right now. There just isn't aren't enough bodies. At least WWE can mix it up with teams and put on matches like the Armageddon Ladder match if they choose. Who do they have in TNA?

[emoney3265]

evilmasterbetty said:

Sorry, but i'll take WWE's "haphazard", IYO crappy tag teams than TNA's ONE GOOD waxING TEAM and two washed up teams that got old with the change in millenium.

Paparazzi hasn't been on TV wrestling in weeks. I still haven't seen Kazarian/Shane on TV. Face it, TNA has no tag division right now. There just isn't aren't enough bodies. At least WWE can mix it up with teams and put on matches like the Armageddon Ladder match if they choose. Who do they have in TNA?

Lack of TV time is a big problem and cause for that.

[HMARK Center]

evilmasterbetty said:

Sorry, but i'll take WWE's "haphazard", IYO crappy tag teams than TNA's ONE GOOD waxING TEAM and two washed up teams that got old with the change in millenium.

Paparazzi hasn't been on TV wrestling in weeks. I still haven't seen Kazarian/Shane on TV. Face it, TNA has no tag division right now. There just isn't aren't enough bodies. At least WWE can mix it up with teams and put on matches like the Armageddon Ladder match if they choose. Who do they have in TNA?

But we know TNA is capable of restructuring the division with essentially the drop of a hat, while the WWE hasn't cared at all about their tag divisions in years.

Impact is currently dominated by Joe/Angle and the World Title feud. Sucks for many of the other talents in the company, but that's the price you pay when you've got such little airtime.

And the Armageddon Ladder Match? Sounded like it was very good, but what's to stop TNA from having a great, say, Ultimate X Tag Title match, which they did a few months ago? It's just a matter of building up a couple new teams and getting things refocused once some time opens up.

Random personal opinion: from what I keep hearing about that Ladder Match, it would've worked so much better as a multi-team feud ender. That idea is lost on a LOT of people in mainstream wrestling these days (as in, can't we have ONE Wrestlemania with a one team vs. one team Tag Title match?).

[Corporate H]

vinniemac said:

bencrocker said:

I get it, you don't like WWE, but there's no denying that at this point in time TNA's Tag Devision is inferior to WWE's. Don't worry, they'll go back to sucking soon I'm sure.

No, you don't "get it."

I don't like bad wrestling. Period. WWE just has the highest per-capita, per/show concentration of it, and on an international basis.

Now, if you want to actually read what I wrote and look at the very salient points I brought up and address them, I'm all "ears."

TNA with LAX > WWE's cluster f@#k of a slap-dash "tag team" division (on three brands no less!).

TNA with their only Tag Team LAX I think you meant.

[EvilMasterBetty, Esq.]

But the thing is, at the drop of a hat (although it should have been pushed) they made the match. TNA can't do that without going against their past story lines. I mean, You have LAX, Team 3D and....maybe PP but i thought that Aries and Shelley don't get along and they haven't been in a ring in over a month. VKM doesn't seem to wrestle anymore. Shazarian is never on TV ever. You broke up the only 3 real teams in the history of the company with the stipulation they can't re-team. So either they go against their booking or they just can't do it.

Hate WWE product all you want, they have a better tag division right now.