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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 9, 2007 23:27:31 GMT -5
WWE may have tag teams but they don't actually use them/ There aren't any fueds going on right now between tag teams, and the belts are stuck on Rated RKO right now on RAW and Londrick aren't doing anything except on the road to breaking up on SD. While there aren't the same numbers as before, there is a fued going on, with the recent LAX/Team 3D fued for the titles. Course, as emoney said, there's little time to do things for everyone.
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Post by emoney3265 on Jan 9, 2007 23:35:40 GMT -5
*Le Sigh* Why has this become another WWE vs TNA b*tch fight?
Sorry the censor was too dumb to have for this.
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Post by royboy8 on Jan 9, 2007 23:37:51 GMT -5
Agreed. The e tag division is seeing a rebirth and is really getting me interested in it again.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 9, 2007 23:38:01 GMT -5
But the thing is, at the drop of a hat (although it should have been pushed) they made the match. TNA can't do that without going against their past story lines. I mean, You have LAX, Team 3D and....maybe PP but i thought that Aries and Shelley don't get along and they haven't been in a ring in over a month. VKM doesn't seem to wrestle anymore. Shazarian is never on TV ever. You broke up the only 3 real teams in the history of the company with the stipulation they can't re-team. So either they go against their booking or they just can't do it. Hate WWE product all you want, they have a better tag division right now. But do they, really? Does anyone honestly care about either tag scene in the WWE? Are any of the teams that actually gun for the titles (i.e. apparently not Rated RKO, who seem to be having the kind of reign Benoit and Edge did in '04) on a consistent basis booked in an interesting way, given character development, etc.? I fully admit I don't watch enough WWE to say for sure myself, but, going by what I read and the little I see, calling their tag scenes "afterthoughts" is a gross understatement. As thin as the TNA tag scene has become (and, I agree, it didn't make sense to cull the herd THIS badly all at once), the fact is that LAX is one of the hottest acts going, Team 3D does have heat, and there's enough talent to draw from that, given a month or two of consistent pushing, the division is suddenly back on it's feet. It's much, MUCH easier to do that when your champions are a team that the audience actually cares about in some way. And, yes, WWE had that match "at the drop of a hat", but my point is that TNA could do that, as well, without altering much. Sure, Seratonin, as an example, isn't getting a big push yet, but they're talented enough that, thrust into a big match, they'd likely deliver. My point is that, if you've got the talent available, anyone can book a "WOW! That was sweet!" match; it's much harder to book a division that the audience actually gives a damn about. For the moment, NEITHER company is doing a great job of it, but, and this is personal preference, I feel that even just having LAX and 3D, two teams with crowd heat, gunning for the belts does a lot more for your tag division than just having more teams, but ones that aren't made to do anything of interest.
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Post by royboy8 on Jan 9, 2007 23:41:12 GMT -5
I get it, you don't like WWE, but there's no denying that at this point in time TNA's Tag Devision is inferior to WWE's. Don't worry, they'll go back to sucking soon I'm sure. No, you don't "get it." I don't like bad wrestling. Period. WWE just has the highest per-capita, per/show concentration of it, and on an international basis. Now, if you want to actually read what I wrote and look at the very salient points I brought up and address them, I'm all "ears." TNA with LAX > WWE's cluster f@#k of a slap-dash "tag team" division (on three brands no less!). Your points make no sense. You say TNA is better tag team wise because they have tag teams that arent even together such as Tomko and Christian and Styles and Daniels while you trash the E for actually having teams that wrestle such as Cade and Murdoch.
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 9, 2007 23:44:48 GMT -5
I was just making an observation with this thread. TNA's Tag Devision has long been better than WWE's but it seems like a sorry coincedence that TNA has inadvertedly screwed their's. They took VKM out of action (well, kind of) and they broke up AMW, Daniels and Styles, the Naturals, and Diamonds in the Rough all within a month or two. Does that sound smart to you? Meanwhile WWE seems to building more and more teams and getting more focused on making Tag Team wrestling important again. EDIT: No, you don't "get it." I don't like bad wrestling. Period. WWE just has the highest per-capita, per/show concentration of it, and on an international basis. Now, if you want to actually read what I wrote and look at the very salient points I brought up and address them, I'm all "ears." TNA with LAX > WWE's cluster f@#k of a slap-dash "tag team" division (on three brands no less!). Your points make no sense. You say TNA is better tag team wise because they have tag teams that arent even together such as Tomko and Christian and Styles and Daniels while you trash the E for actually having teams that wrestle such as Cade and Murdoch. Exactly why I didn't bother posting counter points.
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 9, 2007 23:47:07 GMT -5
But we know TNA is capable of restructuring the division with essentially the drop of a hat, while the WWE hasn't cared at all about their tag divisions in years. And they still don't. The Hardys are welcomed back and after a few matches: poof, gone. MNM reunite for a short-term feud with teh short term Hardys and even if Joey matthews didn't get injured, they were set to go: poof, gone. So, what does it say about a good, one-shot tag ladder match where one of the tag teams can't really compete (Blue Bloods, since Dave Taylor is still rehabbing his body) for a while (on the brand with barely any tag teams), and the other was scheduled to have its members feud against each other (Spanky & London). It says, "WWE doesn't care about tag teams." Definitely not in the long run. Then, let's look at the possibiities of tag teams in the "Double Double E": not many. "Rated RKO" isn't a tag team. It's two singles wrestlers slugged into a slot and (stupidly) given the straps so Hunter can have some kind of strap on himself. Well, at least that was the plan. Like 90% of WWE's tag teams slapepd together, it has a short shelf life. So, RAW has CRYME TIME (who fail to impress) and THE HIGHLANDERS. Haas & Benjamin should reform TW'SGTT, but with WWE, they could get split apart again on a whim. So, THE HIGHLANDERS & CRYME TIME - two comedy teams, are basically the tag division on RAW. WWE doesn't give a damn about tag teams, as you have stated. I won't get started in how they're pissing away dough by jobbing out the FBI on WWECW when the ycould bring them to SMACKDOWN and allow them to have good matches with Kendrick & London... TNA have a track record for good tag teams. So, they're in a low period. Once Russo's gone it's sunny days again... WWE has been in a low period for tag teams for 3 f@#kin' years running, people! It ain't gettin' better there. A person would have to be blind not to see that. Hitman mark is on the money.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 9, 2007 23:47:26 GMT -5
*Le Sigh* Why has this become another WWE vs TNA b*tch fight?Sorry the censor was too dumb to have for this. You thought the filter was dumb, and yet you threw a "Le Sigh" in the beginning of the post? I'm only playin' around, but "Le Sigh" is a really lame phenomenon.
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 9, 2007 23:48:44 GMT -5
Hate WWE product all you want, they have a better tag division right now. Hate TNA all you want, but the reality is simple: WWE do not. They haven't, and given their history: they won't. That's all.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Jan 9, 2007 23:52:55 GMT -5
Hate WWE product all you want, they have a better tag division right now. Hate TNA all you want, but the reality is simple: WWE do not. They haven't, and given their history: they won't. That's all. I like TNA. I like wrestling. I get on WWE's product as much as TNA's, but some people don't like their bubble's burst.
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 10, 2007 0:05:17 GMT -5
Your points make no sense. Don't confuse your poor reading comprehension with me supposedly failing to "make sense." case in point: No. I NEVER said that. In fact, the Cage/Tomko paragraph was about what TNA COULD have, juxtaposed to what WWE has, or could ever have, since WWE places tag teams low on their priorities and holds them in contempt, as evidenced in their booking since 2003. However, LAX & Team 3D > the three actual, functional WWE tag teams (two of which are comedy gimmicks), and the jobbed out, totally destroyed former tag team (Cade & Murdoch) in divisions where the booking appears to have been cut-and-pasted by McMonkeys. In my post that your poor reading comprehension couldnt' compute, I used examples within TNA of ways in which they can beef up their tag team division. Over in "Double Double E," waht combinations exist? Rated RKO aren't a tag team. They're two singles guys paired togetehr to feed to Hunter & HBK. Super Crazy & Hacksaw Duggan? Puleez. Idol & K. C. on SMACKDOWN: m. i. a. The Blue Bloods - sidelined. Kendrick & London: on a brand with no real tag division. FBI - jobbed out on ECW to Turkay & Burke, on a brand devoid of any other actual teams. THE HARDYS? Good idea, but WWE ahve shown that isn't going to happen .They'd be too over. Same applies to MNM, who'd still be sidelined anyway, since Joey Mercury/Matthews is recouperating from injuries. The only other possibillity I see for a tag team in "Double Double E," would be Khali & Umaga, since they have nowhere t ogo once Super Cena gets wins over 'em and their feuds wrap. Poor Umaga would have to carry that albatross of a team, too. VKM suck, but they could be penciled in on the fly. LAX are 100% over more than any WWE tag team has been since MNM split. Team 3D can go, if given incentives. "Seratonin" are at least jobber fodder as a possible tag team within that faction. Sharkboy & Norman Smiley - one phone call and they'll put over other tags. Christian & Tomko could be paired up, reunite Triple X versions 1 or 2... LOTS more possibilities there for a healthy, fun, well-booked tag team division than that mess WWE has rendered of their once-reliable tag team. TNA have lost some focus on their tag team history, but WWE simply pissed all over theirs.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 10, 2007 0:08:19 GMT -5
No, you don't "get it." I don't like bad wrestling. Period. WWE just has the highest per-capita, per/show concentration of it, and on an international basis. Now, if you want to actually read what I wrote and look at the very salient points I brought up and address them, I'm all "ears." TNA with LAX > WWE's cluster f@#k of a slap-dash "tag team" division (on three brands no less!). Your points make no sense. You say TNA is better tag team wise because they have tag teams that arent even together such as Tomko and Christian and Styles and Daniels while you trash the E for actually having teams that wrestle such as Cade and Murdoch. It's not that illogical; in fact, I'd say that, in his case, it's an example of just how apathetic he is towards the WWE tag scene, in that he finds the prospect of a Christian/Tomko regular tag team more interesting than the established team of Cade and Murdoch, who've amounted to absolutely nothing on Raw. That's really at the heart of the debate here; yes, there are more teams in WWE right now, but there's not much reason to care about most of them. EDIT: And watch the tone in here, guys. We're not here to knock anyone else's opinion, just to debate the merits of our own.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 10, 2007 0:15:41 GMT -5
Hate WWE product all you want, they have a better tag division right now. Hate TNA all you want, but the reality is simple: WWE do not. They haven't, and given their history: they won't. That's all. Personally I thought the E&C, Hardyz, Dudleyz fued was amazing, but I guess that was just me. Looking at WWE right now they are trying to fix their tag division and there is no way to deny that, far too many have popped up at one time, far too many have been randomly reformed. Also TNA is in a flux period and Russo being the Wagner of Wrestling decided to go out with the old in one felt swoop. WWE has the problem of not focusing as much as they could on the wreslting (other than armagedon) and burying a bunch of teams. TNA doesn't put teams on TV and really it's just a bunch of washed up hasbeens and LAX. I think they are equals right now. It's really sad where TNA went because they had an awesome tag divison going. Now they've decided to focus on their Main Event which is far superior (in my opinion) to that of the WWE. They have very interesting storylines and a bunch of well built characters that could pop into the scene at any moment. Even their midcard is getting a good deal with Christopher Daniels vs. Chris Sabin vs. Mr. JL. TNA in my opinion is a slightly better product. However their tag division is what is equal with WWE. You can't have a one team division. A main event can't be built off of HHH as we learned in 2003, and on that same token a Tag division can't be built on LAX. They need opponents. Daniels and Styles did wonders for them, but who do they wrestle after Team 3D? PP always jobs, Shazarian always jobs, Daniels and Styles are gone, the Diamonds in the Rough jobs, I suppose they could fight a built up Serotinin, but how good will they be? And I don't want to see VKM wrestling again. WWE has multiple possibilities. And as we saw at Armageddon they can do well together. Will it be as awesome as LAX Vs. Styles Daniels? NO. But they can actually do something interesting. I just hope Russo builds up some tag teams fast during the Team 3D LAX fued. If he doesn't their tag division is dead.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 10, 2007 0:19:15 GMT -5
With the loss of the IDT, naturals, AMW and (in terms of wrestling) VKM the TNA tag-division has been decimated. LAX rocks a I think 3D still as some legitimacy left. But after that there is nothing. WWE has a better tag-division by default.
For piss-sakes get Killings into a solid feud with some airtime before you lose him. He and Hoyt could work well as a legit team. Bringing back XXX is always an option, Elix deserves a job. Nash/Starr/Shelley would be good. Dutt/Lethal could be fun.
There are plenty of options to explore not even including guys out of the indies, many of which would be good options as-well.
Two things have separated TNA from WWE historically, quality tag and cruiser divisions. While I understand the need to push guys Cage, Angle, etc to become a bigger player TNA has to stay in-touch with it's roots as-well.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Jan 10, 2007 0:19:46 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of TNA's tag team division. It had promise with LAX/Staniels but that has died.
Team 3d: They are stale. Either turn them heel or just let them go to Hustle and let them go. LAX/3D has promise but doesn't have much fire left.
Naturals: I have never liked the Naturals. The "Heel Turn" with Shane was pathetic. I'm glad they are gone.
AMW: I liked them when they teamed with Jarrett and were drunk heels. The Feud with LAX was booked horribly.
So who's left for LAX? I'd say Paparazzi Productions but they haven't wrestled on tv in weeks. I find Kevin Nash funny as hell but he's killing Aries/Shelly.
TNA needs The Briscos and The Kings Of Wrestling.
WWE's Tag division has been a joke for years. Raw's divison is still a joke. Cryme Tyme is being booked horribly and Cade/Murdoch are just jobbers. The Highlanders suck and I have hope in WGTT if they were on Smackdown.
Smackdown's division has promise with the Bluebloods and Londrick. IF they bring in the Untouchables, It might be even better.
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 10, 2007 0:23:47 GMT -5
I was just making an observation with this thread. TNA's Tag Devision has long been better than WWE's but it seems like a sorry coincedence that TNA has inadvertedly screwed their's. Actually WWE had the tag team history to die for. They pissed it all away in 2003. It's never been the same, since. TNA still has one, and hasn't really mcuked up much. Team 3d VS. LAX. Still hotter than that mess over on RAW, the non-existent division on ECW, or the jewelry that once were championship belts on SMACKDOWN. TNA has the shorter history, but it's a good one, and it's scraping by, but still booked more coherently than "Double Double E." TNA's tag division is nowhere near becoming the detritus that tag team wrestling in WWE. Diamonds in the Rough broke up months and months ago. Styles & Daniels were never really that much of a tag team .Two singles stars slapped together - that's it. They were never identifiable as one unit. Their run as a team had little history behind it and was clear as day pencilled in to fill a hole. Still, they did put LAX over. No bones about that. The Naturals killed themselves. Andy Douglas was a petulant baby. A company has to maintain some control. Andy Douglas killed that baby. besides, the yweren't getting over and peaked years ago when they put over AMW. All of this happened over a period of time, contrary to your incorrect assertion taht it was all within "one month." Also, how does tha compare to YEARS within the WWE? Be concistent if you're going to hold one as a candle to the other. Simply loading up a ring with 4 teams agaisnt each other isn't a "rebirth." It's called, "how can we fit the rest of these guys in since DX and Cena take up half of our show???" The Dx/RXo thing is simply four singles guys paired together. The belts are barely part of the equation in terms of making the feud have value. In fact, the belt's value was cheapeaned by Sunday's match. Based on two nights of television? Based on the fact that most of the teams are basically jokes? Team 3D VS LAX > WWE's 4 teams at once for belts that mean nothing anymore.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 10, 2007 0:28:08 GMT -5
Definitely true that TNA needs to look into signing the Briscoes and the Kings, should Claudio not end up in WWE. Obviously, they should wait until there's enough time to showcase them (i.e. when they end up going to the 2-hour format), but the Briscoes are the best damn team in the United States right now, and the Kings are master heels with the talent to boot.
I do have to say this: part of me was glad when they did some of their "tag division cleansing", I just wish it hadn't all happened at once. AMW had run it's course, Naturals just weren't cutting it, etc. Losing Daniels/Styles hurt most, I'd say. Again, though, doing it all at once was the bad move, as now there needs to be a concerted effort to restructure/rebuild.
animal was right about this, though: start utilizing Killings/Hoyt. Give 'em Christy as a valet, let them loose; both guys are over enough (especially Truth), both have talent, ergo they're immediately a legitimate team. If they feud with LAX once the 3D feud's done, it could really work, given Killings history with Konnan.
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