BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by BRV on Jan 31, 2007 14:12:29 GMT -5
My main source of evidence are not hard numbers, although I remember them (the announcers et al) constantly mentioning how great they were doing. Were they inflating these numbers because they were at war with WCW? Maybe. But I've been watching alot of older DVD's - Tombstone, Bret Hart, Flair collection, some older PPV's, because of how stale the current product is, and you can't help but notice how bigger the arenas look. Every episode of Raw looks like a PPV. Remember how many shots you'd see where the camera would scan the crowd? Now they look like they have half or even a third of the capacity. What Raw have you been watching? They sell out the arena each and every week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2007 14:29:37 GMT -5
My main source of evidence are not hard numbers, although I remember them (the announcers et al) constantly mentioning how great they were doing. Were they inflating these numbers because they were at war with WCW? Maybe. But I've been watching alot of older DVD's - Tombstone, Bret Hart, Flair collection, some older PPV's, because of how stale the current product is, and you can't help but notice how bigger the arenas look. Every episode of Raw looks like a PPV. Remember how many shots you'd see where the camera would scan the crowd? Now they look like they have half or even a third of the capacity. You're not answering the one question I'm really interested in hearing from you as far as this attendance thing you're obsessing over goes, WHY is it important to you!? And why should it be important to those of us who still enjoy watching WWE how fewer people are in the audience compared to 6 years ago?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 31, 2007 14:36:31 GMT -5
I still don't get the premise behind this thread. Of course WWE isn't doing as well as it once did, wrestling as a whole is much farther off the pop culture radar than it once was, once a significant portion of an audience you once had is no longer there, you're not gonna do the same numbers. But again, has anyone claimed that the numbers are the same? Anywhere?
Cuz if the point you're making is " Anyone who says that WWE is making as much money or drawing as many people in as it did 5-10 years ago is wrong wrong wrong." The only response to that is "yeah." But that's kinda like going-- Anyone that claims the sky isn't blue is incorrect. Facts are on your side in either case, but you're not exactly presenting a groundbreaking arguement.
To another point brought up about conceding that there isn't a character or storyline that can carry the next ten years, that's not a fair arguement either unless you have the ability to see the future-- and if you do let's hit the race track.
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Post by Doomrider on Jan 31, 2007 14:38:55 GMT -5
The Tokyo Dome when I wrestled Inoki held over 3 million people! WOO! Swinging Neckbreaker!
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 31, 2007 15:02:35 GMT -5
My main source of evidence are not hard numbers, although I remember them (the announcers et al) constantly mentioning how great they were doing. Were they inflating these numbers because they were at war with WCW? Maybe. But I've been watching alot of older DVD's - Tombstone, Bret Hart, Flair collection, some older PPV's, because of how stale the current product is, and you can't help but notice how bigger the arenas look. Every episode of Raw looks like a PPV. Remember how many shots you'd see where the camera would scan the crowd? Now they look like they have half or even a third of the capacity. You're not answering the one question I'm really interested in hearing from you as far as this attendance thing you're obsessing over goes, WHY is it important to you!? And why should it be important to those of us who still enjoy watching WWE how fewer people are in the audience compared to 6 years ago? It's important to me because I want the WWE to be good again, like it was. Declining attendance is indicitave of declining quality. I don't kno why that's so hard to understand. Many people think it's just fine and they're willing to accept crap. If they keep giving WWE enough money to keep coasting with their crap then it will never get better. I guess this is a bad time to being making this arguement because they always put a little effort into it from RR to Mania, but after that you'll see my point more clearly. TNA is not helping either. BTW, I still like Smackdown.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 31, 2007 15:06:30 GMT -5
I still don't get the premise behind this thread. Of course WWE isn't doing as well as it once did, wrestling as a whole is much farther off the pop culture radar than it once was, once a significant portion of an audience you once had is no longer there, you're not gonna do the same numbers. But again, has anyone claimed that the numbers are the same? Anywhere? Cuz if the point you're making is " Anyone who says that WWE is making as much money or drawing as many people in as it did 5-10 years ago is wrong wrong wrong." The only response to that is "yeah." But that's kinda like going-- Anyone that claims the sky isn't blue is incorrect. Facts are on your side in either case, but you're not exactly presenting a groundbreaking arguement. Yes that's exactly the point I'm trying to make. You don't think it needs to be said because you agree with me. There are many who don't. I've seen the threads here, maybe not in the last couple of days but I've seen alot of them. Well they better get off their ass and start writing a storyline. When was the last time we had one?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2007 15:07:12 GMT -5
Dude just say you don't like the shows. You don't have to tallk about how many people are going to their shows, I highly doubt that for whatever reasons you'd take a Raw in 1999 over Raw in 2007 that one of them would be "there were more people in the audience." I understand you don't like Raw and wish it were better, but you picked a really strange reason to back that statement.
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Post by M. Dirrty on Jan 31, 2007 16:22:25 GMT -5
keep in mind....
back when we went to Royal Rumble in '97... tickets went on sale in October... we got our tickets around X-mas '96 and still managed to get a set of 4 lower level right above the floor seats... that usually unheard of getting the tickets a month before the event for 40,000+ dome
this year...
the Royal Rumble tickets for a 16,000+ went in mere hours.
so compare those two.... prolly evens out to the same... 16,000 in hours.... or 40,000 in months.
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