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Post by j2thabill on Jan 24, 2007 19:24:21 GMT -5
Jim Ross was asked to sum up Val Venis's future in one sentence in a 1998 wwf magazine, he said "main-event status oh dear
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 24, 2007 19:27:21 GMT -5
You'll note he never gave an exact date...Wrestlemania 27, here comes Val....
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 24, 2007 19:27:36 GMT -5
Actually, even Mick Foley would agree.
Why else would Foley feel ashamed at himself for the failed Mankind vs. Venis feud?
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 24, 2007 19:30:08 GMT -5
JR wrote that a long time ago, a real long time ago. Way before Val was jobbin'! Yeah, all the way back in ninety-four eight.
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 24, 2007 19:31:58 GMT -5
when i read at the time i thought jr was crazy. now it sounds even crazier
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 24, 2007 19:32:18 GMT -5
Hell, I thought the same thing. It COULD still happen should they choose to push him. So basically, no hope
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 24, 2007 19:34:13 GMT -5
you are joking? val venis never displayed main event level talent ever.... not for a single second...
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 24, 2007 19:35:22 GMT -5
Actually, even Mick Foley would agree. Why else would Foley feel ashamed at himself for the failed Mankind vs. Venis feud? Foley in his prime couldn't have saved a feud built around one man putting a sock down his trunks, and another man wanting it back.
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 24, 2007 19:36:49 GMT -5
you are joking? val venis never displayed main event level talent ever.... not for a single second... So your saying Val Venis is less talented then Batista, or Bobby Lashley, or Sid Vicious, or JBL, or Umaga, etc, etc?
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Post by Yann on Jan 24, 2007 19:58:20 GMT -5
On a sidenote, have you noticed that the Big Valbowski is kinda losing the shape ? On the Heat page, there is a picture showing his match for this week, and he looks a little bit pudgy..
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Post by JMA on Jan 24, 2007 20:04:30 GMT -5
It just goes to show that just because you're talented, professional, and work hard it doesn't mean you'll succeed in wrestling. Although there are exceptions (some big ones too), success in wrestling usually depends on a combination of who you know and the right circumstances.
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Post by dennisisevil on Jan 24, 2007 20:06:30 GMT -5
When he first debuted people were calling him the poor man's Rick Rude. The problem is that he was jobbed to hell and back especially during his time with the Right to Censor stable to the point nobody will take him seriously.
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 24, 2007 20:16:32 GMT -5
you are joking? val venis never displayed main event level talent ever.... not for a single second... So your saying Val Venis is less talented then Batista, or Bobby Lashley, or Sid Vicious, or JBL, or Umaga, etc, etc? Val venis was a card filler gimmick thats all. i have never put a dvd on wanting to revisit a val classic! Batista is not a great wrestler but he has ring presence and a aura which helps him no end, bobby is average but might get better, sid had limited talent but had some good matches when he was carried, jbl average but great character, umaga is average just his size gets him pushed in truth all the above have midcard at best ring ability but a couple jbl/batista had a good enough character to get them futher
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Post by Al Wilson Lives: Thread Killer on Jan 24, 2007 20:19:57 GMT -5
Val could be so much more at this point if he was still rid of that gimmick that ran it's course in '99. Val has always been a tremendous worker and able to get a response from the crowd. When he finally ditched the gimmick and was constantly sucking up to Bischoff he was a heat (not Sunday Night Heat) magnet and could only go up from there. When Chief Morley was fired and Stone Cold re-hired Val Venis, all that heat was gone and he was relegated to jobber to new-comers.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 24, 2007 20:21:27 GMT -5
Val could be so much more at this point if he was still rid of that gimmick that ran it's course in '99. Val has always been a tremendous worker and able to get a response from the crowd. When he finally ditched the gimmick and was constantly sucking up to Bischoff he was a heat (not Sunday Night Heat) magnet and could only go up from there. When Chief Morley was fired and Stone Cold re-hired Val Venis, all that heat was gone and he was relegated to jobber to new-comers. Eh, I was bored to tears from that era of Morley. The whole storyline, from Storm to the Dudleyz to Bischoff, just seemed to be going with the motions.
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Post by bshadye413 on Jan 24, 2007 20:22:18 GMT -5
When Val first debuted, he was very over. So that statement from JR, to me anyway, doesnt seem too far fetched. at least not then it didnt.
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 24, 2007 20:26:05 GMT -5
Val was only over for a brief time as the attitude era was kicking in full swing off after wm14, His gimmick fit nicley with the sex sells attitude at the time. But when did he have a single match or interview to justify "main event status" comment?
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jan 24, 2007 20:37:46 GMT -5
Val was only over for a brief time as the attitude era was kicking in full swing off after wm14, His gimmick fit nicley with the sex sells attitude at the time. But when did he have a single match or interview to justify "main event status" comment? What about [insert anyone's name here] who was predicted to be "main event status" back when they debuted? What was HHH's first "main event-quality" match? Not till they decided to push him to the moon. I see what you're trying to get at, kinda, but it's not holding any water.
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 24, 2007 20:44:47 GMT -5
HHH is a good example, him and the rock and ken shamrock all had good matches over the intercontial title or european title in 98, hhh vs owen at wm 14 was good. Soild if not great in the ring they did show potential! saying Val Venus has main event status potential in 98 would be like saying that matt striker has main event status potential at the moment.
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 24, 2007 20:47:40 GMT -5
you are joking? val venis never displayed main event level talent ever.... not for a single second... Well...CMLL disagrees with you.
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