"Hollywood" Cactus Matt
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jan 24, 2007 21:00:04 GMT -5
HHH is a good example, him and the rock and ken shamrock all had good matches over the intercontial title or european title in 98, hhh vs owen at wm 14 was good. Soild if not great in the ring they did show potential! saying Val Venus has main event status potential in 98 would be like saying that matt striker has main event status potential at the moment. Theorhetically, Striker does have main event potential. It's all about that word: potential. When was the last time John Cena, Umaga, Batista, or Bobby Lashley had a "main event-calibur" match where they weren't either carried or the match itself was the best on the card? Val may never have had a five-start classic in WWE, but he's a damn sight better in the ring than a lot of these stiffs.
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 24, 2007 21:23:58 GMT -5
umaga and lashley are not any better tha val but cena has the personality and has had good mathces(angle, edge, hhh doing the most work granted). Batista is going through a bad patch at the moment but he has got that aura need for the big time.
Its just val never did anything to warrent this statement in 98 it applied to hhh, rock, shamrock today it applies to shelton, c m punk and mr kennedy not matt striker!
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 24, 2007 21:26:58 GMT -5
I seem to recall a particular incident that I believe occurred on Smackdown, but I cannot remember the exact year. On this night, Steve Austin was raving about wanting a title shot, and Val came out to challenge him, claiming he deserved a title shot, and the two of them put on a pretty good match as I recall. At the time, I though that meant Val was on the verge of a serious main event push. And yes, he is losing his shape, and his hair.
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Post by sandimashigh on Jan 24, 2007 21:52:50 GMT -5
I think Val should be with the 'E well into his fifties. His gimmick would stay the same, and would add an extra level of creepiness and hilarity at the same time. He'd be like the guy in high school that stayed back a couple of extra years still beating the crap outta nerds.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 24, 2007 21:56:38 GMT -5
HHH is a good example, him and the rock and ken shamrock all had good matches over the intercontial title or european title in 98, hhh vs owen at wm 14 was good. Soild if not great in the ring they did show potential! saying Val Venus has main event status potential in 98 would be like saying that matt striker has main event status potential at the moment. In December 1995, HHH had a Hog Pen match with Henry Godwinn. If you had told me then, "You know, in a couple years, he's going to be in this really cutting edge faction, then a couple years after that he'll marry Vince's daughter and be a ten-time world champion"...I'd have called the funny farm.
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Post by Garee on Jan 24, 2007 22:06:11 GMT -5
Hey he's main evented Heat many times
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jan 24, 2007 22:10:14 GMT -5
Val could have been main event status. Ditch the porn gimmick, call him Shawn Morely and you'd have a completley different guy. He was easily one of the more solid guys during the Attitude era and had a pretty decent IC run. I'd believe him in the main event moreso than Batista, Lashley, Cena, or the bane of my existance You Know Who.
Of course the point has already been made that ANYBODY could be main event, it just depends on how the booking commitee looks at you.
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Jan 24, 2007 22:38:27 GMT -5
yes he also saw potential in MARK HENRY....
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Post by carter 15 on Jan 25, 2007 1:39:20 GMT -5
Mark Henry would make a believable world champ, i don't see a problem with that. Venis once upon a time had a good chance, he was an average to good worker with good mic skills/charisma. Jobbed to the world, going bald (which doesn't suit him) and losing his figure (a little fat now) has no doubt put his chances 6ft under.
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Post by robferatu on Jan 25, 2007 1:46:10 GMT -5
I've always been surprised that he never rised above Mid Card Statues. and yes he was a mid carder once upon a time for a few weeks.
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Post by Hemmeorrhage on Jan 25, 2007 9:36:24 GMT -5
On a sidenote, have you noticed that the Big Valbowski is kinda losing the shape ? On the Heat page, there is a picture showing his match for this week, and he looks a little bit pudgy.. I saw him live in New Orleans at a house show on Saturday. I thought to myself (Val needs Nutrisystem). I couldn't shout that out at him because he seems like too nice of a guy. Val seemed real emotional after he lost to Rodimer in a sloppy match. That house show was on the same night of all those roster cuts. I bet he was scared that he just wrestled his last match for the E. I 'm not criticizing him, but I'm sure the reason he makes it through roster cuts is because he is a veteran performer with some name value and is probably easy to work with. However, I'm not sure they are going to tolerate him being out of shape for long. I know it must be tough to stay real focused on training when you know the company isn't going to do anything with you, but he might regret losing his WWE gig over a few pounds. After years of jobbing and not owning the Val Venis name, he might not be worth too much in the indies.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jan 25, 2007 9:59:15 GMT -5
I had noticed that he appeared to gain a little weight, if I'm not wrong even Grisham/Coach pointed it out on Heat - "he looks a little bigger to me" or something to that effect. A shame the way he's being jobbed out, they could at least try and put him on RAW a bit more as he does still get pops nearly a decade after debuting, which in itself is an achievement.
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Post by heffer111 on Jan 25, 2007 10:00:45 GMT -5
hello.... ladies
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 25, 2007 10:03:59 GMT -5
The gimmick is worthless if he's not in shape and doesn't have the long hair from 1998-99.
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 25, 2007 10:17:45 GMT -5
hello i am now being informed on rspw that this comment on val venis that i emalied in for the blade is stupid show was mentioned, i did not hear and was sad so thats why i posted it here to begin with did anybody hear it and where abouts(start, middel or end) so i can find it? i just can't imagine val in a main event ever!! his kaentai feud was funny but thats cause it played to his strengths(comedy gimmick) he is a mid card at best i do wonder why wwe keeps so much average talent on board, if they wanted they could hire loads of amazing independent or tna,roh wrestlers when they are availble seems vince only wants one style of wrestling to rule though seeing as he has booked the doom of the crusierweigts and ecw so much, does never think he could get more viewers if he promoted more than one style?
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Post by Hemmeorrhage on Jan 25, 2007 13:37:08 GMT -5
hello i am now being informed on rspw that this comment on val venis that i emalied in for the blade is stupid show was mentioned, i did not hear and was sad so thats why i posted it here to begin with did anybody hear it and where abouts(start, middel or end) so i can find it? i just can't imagine val in a main event ever!! his kaentai feud was funny but thats cause it played to his strengths(comedy gimmick) he is a mid card at best i do wonder why wwe keeps so much average talent on board, if they wanted they could hire loads of amazing independent or tna,roh wrestlers when they are availble seems vince only wants one style of wrestling to rule though seeing as his has booked the doom of the crusierweigts and ecw so much, does never think he could get more viewers if he promoted more than one style? Huh?
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Post by j2thabill on Jan 25, 2007 13:44:16 GMT -5
im discussing average talent like val (he did not have main event potential!) went a little off topic i know but when someone mentioned people being fired, above is the thoughts i had
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Post by starking18 on Jan 25, 2007 13:50:34 GMT -5
I remember Val having a match with Austin on Raw that was pretty high up the card. It was one hell of a match too.
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Post by carter 15 on Jan 26, 2007 3:32:43 GMT -5
I think people that think he's a midcarder at best weren't watching him from '98-'00.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 26, 2007 3:34:35 GMT -5
....on WWE Heat
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