I needed to say this

[Andrew is Good]

This was inspired by another thread, and this is nothing against the poster who posted it, but this is something that generally goes on.

When somebody loses a match, it's like the nail in their coffin. It's like their career is dead and buried and there's nothing left. Whether it's Victoria, CM Punk or whoever. You name them. Their career is not over. It's just a loss. People lose clean all the time. Nobody has ever NOT lost. If they keep becoming a jobber, then yes. Their career is hurt, but not over. So please, losing a match doesn't mean your career is dead.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

andrewisgood said:

Nobody has ever NOT lost. .

Not true, so far Akebono is undefeated.

[krazysane]

Vals is, hes a jobber

[Andrew is Good]

krazysane said:

Vals is, hes a jobber

But if WWE wanted, they could instantly turn him around and have him be pushed again.

And besides, I said if they keep becoming a jobber, then yes. But usually, one loss isn't so bad.

[MichaelRBoh]

they only become a jobber if they lose to a jobber and keep losing. its that simple.

['Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada]

I'm with Barry Horowitz in saying 'Jobber' is such a nasty word.

It implies that the person can't do anything but take bumps, never goes to the gym, and so on.

There has to be a winner, and there has to be a loser.

If we didn't have guys that lost more often than not, and help make other guys look like stars, the whole mechanics of the business would be thrown out of whack.

[JMA]

Triple H recovered from being squashed by The Ultimate Warrior. Now, HE'S the one that squashes people. (That sucks just as bad, actually.)

So I agree with the topic started--losses don't always kill careers. But a lot of it depends on the wrestler and the situation.

[Count Creepyhead]

cdr said:

andrewisgood said:

Nobody has ever NOT lost. .

Not true, so far Akebono is undefeated.

Ahem...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PtuJq411J8

Also not counting his 11 MMA loses.

[Funkyjumbo]

Is the Boogeyman still undefeated?

[Thomas Powers of Paine]

Miyamoto Musashi was undefeated in duels...

[rrm15]

andrewisgood said:

This was inspired by another thread, and this is nothing against the poster who posted it, but this is something that generally goes on.

When somebody loses a match, it's like the nail in their coffin. It's like their career is dead and buried and there's nothing left. Whether it's Victoria, CM Punk or whoever. You name them. Their career is not over. It's just a loss. People lose clean all the time. Nobody has ever NOT lost. If they keep becoming a jobber, then yes. Their career is hurt, but not over. So please, losing a match doesn't mean your career is dead.

BEST POST EVER. Jesus Christ, I get sick of everyone crying after their favorite gets pinned. Andrew is Good, you are my new favorite poster.

[odanobunaga]

cdr said:

andrewisgood said:

Nobody has ever NOT lost. .

Not true, so far Akebono is undefeated.

He lost against Brock.

Miyamoto Musashi was undefeated in duels...

That was pure backstage bullshit. Like people Oda Nobunaga who carried the Sengoku all over his sholders NEVER gets any credit.

[kitsunestar]

odanobunaga said:

cdr said:

That was pure backstage bullcrap. Like people Oda Nobunaga who carried the Sengoku all over his sholders NEVER gets any credit.

That's what happens when you're the Demon King. Besides, Hideyoshi and his 87 different last names has been given the more fun modern portrayals.

[Thomas Powers of Paine]

odanobunaga said:

cdr said:

Not true, so far Akebono is undefeated.

He lost against Brock.

Miyamoto Musashi was undefeated in duels...

That was pure backstage bullcrap. Like people Oda Nobunaga who carried the Sengoku all over his sholders NEVER gets any credit.

Not so. Musashi started out beating jobbers, then the famous duel with Kojiro Sasaki really put him over and into the top of the card. Also, he waited until AFTER he retired to write his book, unlike some of the real backstage politicians. ;D

[Cranjis McBasketball]

thelariet said:

cdr said:

Not true, so far Akebono is undefeated.

Ahem...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PtuJq411J8

Also not counting his 11 MMA loses.

That's not in a WWE ring.

[bob]

funkyjumbo said:

Is the Boogeyman still undefeated?

he was DQ'd against Miz

[Nickie James]

Well, it's only a bad loss if it was done out of pure disrespect. Backstage politics can hurt the quality of a match. I learned that through Eddie's book. It's definitely better to lose in a hard-fought match that can further your career than lose a match without any dignity left.

We all can't be Superman. *looks at Cena* ... Hey, he didn't win his first few matches in 2007, either.

[TRUTH TELLER]

andrewisgood said:

This was inspired by another thread, and this is nothing against the poster who posted it, but this is something that generally goes on.

When somebody loses a match, it's like the nail in their coffin. It's like their career is dead and buried and there's nothing left. Whether it's Victoria, CM Punk or whoever. You name them. Their career is not over. It's just a loss. People lose clean all the time. Nobody has ever NOT lost. If they keep becoming a jobber, then yes. Their career is hurt, but not over. So please, losing a match doesn't mean your career is dead.

I know what you're saying, but I think the lines have been blurred in CM punk's case. My issues with that were not so much that he lost, but to whom and why. The whole thing has insanely snowballed with people from there. Holly should have been built up first if their intention was to have Punk lose his first match to him. After all, Punk was getting great pops, and Holly hadn't really beaten anyone in months. The perception of Holly is that he's a lower midcarder. It's WWE's fault for booking Holly so poorly, then expecting him to be credible. [/rant]

[thesunbeast]

thelariet said:

cdr said:

Not true, so far Akebono is undefeated.

Ahem...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PtuJq411J8

Also not counting his 11 MMA loses.

I think that what was trying to be communicated here was that no wrestler has ever gone through their career, as popular as they may be, without a loss. Nobody has retired undefeated. If they do, then somebody realises it and they come out of retirement and then loose. Sooner or later, they will loose a match.

[rocket]

andrewisgood said:

This was inspired by another thread, and this is nothing against the poster who posted it, but this is something that generally goes on.

When somebody loses a match, it's like the nail in their coffin. It's like their career is dead and buried and there's nothing left. Whether it's Victoria, CM Punk or whoever. You name them. Their career is not over. It's just a loss. People lose clean all the time. Nobody has ever NOT lost. If they keep becoming a jobber, then yes. Their career is hurt, but not over. So please, losing a match doesn't mean your career is dead.

I know this is intended for my thread, so here's what I have to say. I was furious over the outcome of the Vickie/Mickie match because here is someone who after months (years?) of being treated like crap, all of a sudden she gets a big push. All signs would at least point to an eventual women's title reign, if not more. Well, she jobs at the PPV, but at least the circumstances around it would say a rematch would come. And so the rematch came. And she jobbed so cleanly it's like they don't want anything to do with her, after all that. Add to the fact that she turns 36 next month and they seem ready to push another woman as a title contender, you could make a strong argument that this could be it.

At least Punk is young, popular, and hasn't been jobbed to death (yet). The same can't be said for Victoria, and that's why I made that post. Sorry if I infuriated you, but all things considered, a strong case could be made with her.