punk in the doghouse

[leemir]

Punk is who got interested & in WWE again & now I can't wait 'till he gets out of WWE.

[Red 'n' Black Reggie]

vanvader said:

Sources have told this reporter that mysterious figures alluded to as 'H.B.K' and 'H.H.H.' may be behind this.

More as this develops.

dammit! that damn dx again!

(fixed)

[T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens]

I don't think CM Punk is the greatest thing in the world, but the fans clearly love him so I could never call his overness (if that's a word) a fluke. And the guy was clearly more popular than DX. Arn Anderson's best buddy is Ric Flair who just happen to be pals with Triple H. I'm not about to suggest that there is iron clad proof of a conspiracy against CM Punk, but I watched what happened to WCW. I saw what happened when the inmates ran the asylum. Nobody can say that Ric Flair does not have some kind of influence over Arn. It just screams of WCW to me. Having said that, I was not surprised or angry to see Hardcore cleanly pin CM Punk on ECW TV. After all, if you look at ECW on it's own, Holly is a veteran main eventer. Who else do they have? Big Show's gone, RVD is a babyface, Test just came back. In WWE as a whole, Hardcore may be laughable as a main eventer, but in ECW alone, it's really not that bad to have him beat a popular rookie.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

pfmc said:

has Hardcore Holly EVER been over? minus after getting a gash in his back, but 2 weeks later he had the crowd back to sitting on their hands?

i guess when him, Crash, and Molly were around.. but i wouldn't attribute that entirely to Sparky.

whatever, guess it's hard to accept that ECW became a haven for those who cannot, for the life of them, generate a crowd reaction.

He WAS over during his short feud with Brock, I was at a live show during this feud and the crowd was actually totally behind Hardcore. They of course ruined this by jobbing Holly short and clean on PPV.

[amsiraK]

Hardcore is ALWAYS over. I can't explain it (and I like him) but the crowd always goes ape-crap for him.

[MGH]

This stupid story won't die will it?

You know what, if we come back in 3 weeks and Punk has jobbed to him 2 or 3 more times, I'll get back with you.

Or after Batista and Lashley also "pay their dues", one or the other.

["IcePic" Rick Cobos]

mygreatesthour said:

This stupid story won't die will it?

You know what, if we come back in 3 weeks and Punk has jobbed to him 2 or 3 more times, I'll get back with you.

Or after Batista and Lashley also "pay their dues", one or the other.

What about Khali paying his dues?

[The Booty Disciple]

Wow...after reading this thread, I'm reminded of why I don't come into this section anymore...

I'd toss my two cents in, but I'd come off as either 1) an Anderson and Finlay mark B) a "smark" (whatever the bloody hell that means anymore) or %) someone who takes things not serious enough to post in the WWE section.

And the first jackass to tell me to get off my high horse is going to get...well, a smartass remark back with an admition that I'm on said high horse

[KLRA]

Anderson also said Punk was only over because Heyman fluked it and it shouldn't be happening.

WHA-HUH?!?!

So, even if it was a "fluke" that he was over, doesn't that mean he's OVER and that he should be PUSHED because he's over?!

[hollywood]

austin4wyo said:

And the first jackass to tell me to get off my high horse is going to get...well, a smartass remark back with an admition that I'm on said high horse

Hey, get off your high horse.

[/being a jackass]

[The Booty Disciple]

hollywood said:

austin4wyo said:

And the first jackass to tell me to get off my high horse is going to get...well, a smartass remark back with an admition that I'm on said high horse

Hey, get off your high horse.

[/being a jackass]

Yeah. I gotta quit letting my horse hang out with that bad crowd down the street. I think they smoke pot.

*dismounts and unsaddles*

[Legion]

karisma888 said:

Hardcore is ALWAYS over. I can't explain it (and I like him) but the crowd always goes ape-crap for him.

This is so true. Just listen to a crowd when he comes out, he really does get a decent pop and always has, and as someone up a bit said was really over vs Lesner a few years back.

I've always liked the guy anyway, i wrote to him when he was sick, his wife sent a really nice mail back.

[Deleted]

I dunno why anyone's buying this. Maybe in a few weeks we'll know the truth depending on how CM Punk does in ECW but right now it looks like bull to me.

Why would they keep CM's streak alive after D2D for a few weeks then? Teaming him up with RVD and giving him wins? Did they just decide three weeks after, "heyyyyy, remember when CM Punk didn't like they layout of the elimination chamber match? I really hated that, let's job him now!"

[Legion]

Of course not, nut Punk lost a match, so there must be a reason other than that that is usually how a fued works at the root of it.........

[cellobaby]

i thought my dog seqouia was in the doghouse?

[H-Fist]

I'm kinda ok with Punk paying his dues. I don't want him winning a world title within his first 18 months in the Fed and then flaming out since he has nowhere to go kayfabe-wise but down. He needs to learn that he needs to keep his concerns to himself about booking decisions until he is well-established enough that the writers and McMahons respect his opinion. Vent to people, fine, but remember that you're a rookie by the standards of the old boys club that runs things.

I like Punk, and I'm probably one of the people who overrates him. If the decision has been made for Lashley to be the new face of the C Show, with RVD as the secondary babyface, then Punk does need to be held on a simmer as an over mid-card babyface who isn't too awesome - not too much promo time, no long matches to showcase everything he can do, etc. - to help put a show together. Eventually, Punk main events on Smackdown or has an awesome IC Title reign on Raw. But for now, bide your time and shut up. Or else they WILL turn you into Shannon Moore.

["Playboy" Don Douglas]

I agree with what's been said, why didn't this happen immediately after the chamber match if that were the case?

Plus, the vast majority of wrestlers lose a match in a feud. Especially a young upstart face against a veteran heel. Unless your name is Goldberg or Cena. And we all know how loved those two are, right?

[HMARK Center]

Here's the bigger issue here: what we're looking at is a clash of old school and new school, methinks.

The old school way of thinking had a lot of "due paying", and also a strong air of "shut your mouth, do what the promoter says, take your money, then come back and do it again when we say so." To be fair...this method worked for quite a long time.

Thing is, it also worked, in large part, due to kayfabe still being alive.

Now, it still exists today, to a degree, but I think the new school of wrestling has at least a tiny bit more openness to it in terms of wrestlers getting some more input into their characters and matches. ECW kind of opened this up a bit; guys got to go out, put on the best matches they were capable of giving, and plan most of it on their own, without too much interjection and overriding from agents and whatnot.

Frankly, I don't mind the new school method taking some prominence, with agents being around to teach and inform the younger talent. Wrestling kind of needs to "grow up" a bit, give more freedoms to the actual talent. The less the wrestlers themselves are treated as cattle, the closer we might get to a day when, perhaps, we'll see something like a wrestlers' union.

[kitsunestar]

karisma888 said:

Hardcore is ALWAYS over. I can't explain it (and I like him) but the crowd always goes ape-crap for him.

Sadly, this is true. Hardcore always seems to get a good entrance-pop. Yeah, he's a jerk and his matches are fairly boring, but the in-arena fans seems to like him.

But, that being said, I don't even LIKE Punk and think that it was ridiculous for him to lose clean to Sparky Plugg.

[HRH The KING]

Sparky may get a pop, but a "star?"

A brown dwarf perhaps.