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Post by The Original Gooker on Feb 10, 2007 18:20:42 GMT -5
I know some people will find this a weird poll, I started watching ECW when I was 16, it was mid 95 and I liked it for few moments.
ECW wasnt much of a buzz during that time, WCW nitro was showing some innovative wrestling and people were getting bored with the WWF's cartoonish product so WCW was getting ratings.
ECW was overrated according to me and Paul Heyman is the most overrated guy in the wrestling business....he may tell us anything but ECW was influenced directly from Memphis wrestling and it was mediocre at its best.
After 1998 ECW became stale, the reason was Heyman was running out of fresh ideas, and WWF Attitude era was in full swing.
I admit Heyman was a decent booker for ECW but just watching Sandman's shoot DVD tells that Heyman consulted Todd Gordon a lot of times and takes the credit all alone.
I think after the rise of the IWC, ECW and Heyman both were way overrated and they really donot deserve all that appreciation.
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Post by Agent P on Feb 10, 2007 18:23:14 GMT -5
To be honest with you, I'm not sure. It seems the only difference with ECW now is that he is not there. I think a lot of his ideas were overrated, but I'm not sure if he is.
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 10, 2007 18:26:48 GMT -5
I think Heyman definitely has an uncanny ability for entertaining wrestling fans. But at the same time he is a horrible buisness person, and sometimes people seem to give him a free pass.
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Post by AriadosMan on Feb 10, 2007 18:27:43 GMT -5
Heyman actually came up with many of the ideas that came to the forefront during the Attitude era, but his genius didn't extend to actually keeping his product in the black when the rough times came. If he had the ability to keep his product afloat and offer a real alternative to Double Double E then I'd say yes, but his finanicial mismanagement of ECW forces me to say "overrated".
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Post by MGH on Feb 10, 2007 18:28:06 GMT -5
The usual consensus is that he is a great booker when his heart is in it and he's a terrible business man. That lines up with how I feel about him, so I think people usually rate him accordingly.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Feb 10, 2007 18:32:41 GMT -5
The usual consensus is that he is a great booker when his heart is in it and he's a terrible business man. That lines up with how I feel about him, so I think people usually rate him accordingly. Tod Gordon is underrated by the IWC for how good of a business man he was in ECW and surviving the Eddie Gilbert days. |
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Post by NIXON on Feb 10, 2007 18:33:17 GMT -5
I don't think he gets enough credit. It is my humble opinion that the attitude era would have never happened without Heyman and ECW.
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Post by Dave FCIC on Feb 10, 2007 18:36:01 GMT -5
Heyman isn't overrated, he just needs someone to kinda keep him controlled I believe, much like Vince Russo.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 10, 2007 18:36:05 GMT -5
No he isn't, there's some bizarre myth that no one who uses the internet has a bad word to say about the guy and credit him with inventing wrestling or something, but more often than never you'll see someone pointing out the obvious flaws the guy has in an equal amount, and making crap go on for 12 pages.
ECW was the best thing to happen to me as a wrestling fan, Heyman was a Great booker, great speaker, but overall a bad businessman.
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Post by dirtydickraines on Feb 10, 2007 18:46:07 GMT -5
His major appeal seems to be that he is the, "anti-McMahon." He listens to the fans and gives them what they want, there is no question that he knows wrestling. The real question is about his morals. At heart, Heyman is a business man. He primarily cares about his own best interests. You never hear Heyman fanatics talk about him not paying ECW workers for months. You never hear how he told the workers he was getting a new contract for television, when he was really filming his scenes in Rollerball. Say what you want about Vince McMahon, at least you know you're getting a check every week.
Heyman did revolutionize wrestling. Without him, guys like Steve Austin, Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero wouldn't have become what they did. He is more of a wrestling paradox than anything.
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Post by The Wrestling Rambler on Feb 10, 2007 18:59:25 GMT -5
It's true that Paul Heyman was behind a lot of new ideas, that we now see in wrestling today and take for granted.
But how would the Paul Heyman of today book and write if he was still running a company today? Could he actually come up with any more ideas or new concepts or had his creativeness more or less burned out by the start of 2001?
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Post by amplifierWORSHIP! on Feb 10, 2007 19:00:40 GMT -5
Heyman is only as over-rated as Kurt Cobain.. and by that i mean they both deserve as much credit as they're given. just because they have faults doesn't mean what they strived for didn't happen. i like how some compare ECW's revolution to that of the grunge movement, it's completely on-point.
yeah, Paul was awful with money. does that mean the ECW vision wasn't something completely revolutionary? and something that DIRECTLY affected the wrestling business, no matter how many times McMahon or Bischoff might deny it?
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Post by STMP on Feb 10, 2007 19:07:40 GMT -5
You never hear Heyman fanatics talk about him not paying ECW workers for months. You never hear how he told the workers he was getting a new contract for television, when he was really filming his scenes in Rollerball. Say what you want about Vince McMahon, at least you know you're getting a check every week. The odd thing about that is that the wrestlers only seem dissapointed about that, but don't hate his guts. I saw Forever Hardcore and people felt rightfully cheated. But when another promoter does that, well they should be lucky they don't get their asses handed to them. People still wanted to work with Heyman in the WWE and also for One Night Stand and the new ECW. Even though he really did f*** them over. But I don't think Heyman is overrated. For me the reason is Justin Credible. A extremely lame name, average wrestler, not a very unique look and not great on the mic. And Heyman gave him the belt and a main event run and for me as a fan, it worked. I believed it. I saw him as a credible heel. Nobody will say he was as good as Raven or made a mark like Sandman. But he came a long way from Aldo Montoya. And I do see it as Heyman's work, because on his own Credible wouldn't have made it. |
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Post by I Got Heat on Feb 10, 2007 19:37:57 GMT -5
He's one of the best ever.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 10, 2007 22:34:51 GMT -5
Absolutely. He's good, possibly great, but yeah I'd say he's overrated. And can we stop with the throwing the genius label on anyone with any amount of success? Einstein, Pasteur, Shakespeare, Da Vinci- those guys were geniuses. Heyman did good things in wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 22:38:19 GMT -5
He seems like a cool guy, a really cool guy, I don't think he's over rated because it's obvious he's done a lot of good things that are made apparent by the ECW of old, but I do think people can sometimes overthink things as far as writers go, in the way some people can seem to tell on a segment to segment basis who's responsible for what, but Heyman does seem like a certified genius.
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Post by The Jeebus on Feb 10, 2007 22:51:19 GMT -5
He was a creative booker and the Paul. E character was fantastic. Overrated, my ass.
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Post by MNM's Official "Fixer" on Feb 10, 2007 22:55:10 GMT -5
No, I have all the respect in the world for Paul.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Feb 10, 2007 23:05:55 GMT -5
He's a great booker, but he's a lying, egotistical man who only sees things his way. But then again, I just described 90% of the promoters that have ever been in professional wrestling.
Paul Heyman has his rough spots like everyone, but I definitely think he's a brilliant mind.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 12, 2007 9:30:08 GMT -5
I know some people will find this a weird poll, I started watching ECW when I was 16, it was mid 95 and I liked it for few moments. ECW wasnt much of a buzz during that time, WCW nitro was showing some innovative wrestling and people were getting bored with the WWF's cartoonish product so WCW was getting ratings. ECW was overrated according to me and Paul Heyman is the most overrated guy in the wrestling business....he may tell us anything but ECW was influenced directly from Memphis wrestling and it was mediocre at its best. After 1998 ECW became stale, the reason was Heyman was running out of fresh ideas, and WWF Attitude era was in full swing. I admit Heyman was a decent booker for ECW but just watching Sandman's shoot DVD tells that Heyman consulted Todd Gordon a lot of times and takes the credit all alone. I think after the rise of the IWC, ECW and Heyman both were way overrated and they really donot deserve all that appreciation. Bash me if you would love to but one fact remains....."I hate Kool Aid!" No. |
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