RIP WWF

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWz3IBOZS2M

I dare you to watch this and not remember the good times. I now I couldn't. Hell, I nearly cried.

[Juggalo/Hulkamaniac]

Yeah, but wrestling is still good, but its not the 80's anymore so there you go. And WSX > septic tank... but just barely.

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

Not as good as it was back then my friend. Let me show you what a member of another board said on this.

"This exact version never aired, but most of it comes from a video package shown by "Ric Flair" when Vince McMahon was going to bring in the NWO. It was sung in Kid Rock's Lonley Road of Faith song. Honestly, WWE f***s themself in the ass when they make these videos, lol, because it reminds you how good things used to be, and it's not until you remember that you realize how shit things really are now. While I think WWE has improved vastly in the past year, god they fell far to get to that point where today's product is an improvement over say, 1999, or 2000, or 2001 when I felt WWE had it's best years. I recently rewatched an old tape of mine from September of 1998 I think, when Rock was still in the Nation, and I just watched him cut a promo on the New Age Outlaws and I remembered how much more I cared back then. Even Vince had more balls as he called Kane and the Undertaker "Putred Pussys". There were no men in thongs, no segments of shows dedicated to hyping a wrestler's upcoming movie, no new PPV coming every week or two, hell even no Smackdown, but the WWF was a better product back then when it came down to the bottom line.

People blame the brand split for ruining the WWE, but it was never the brand split, and I don't even think it was WCW dying. I think the WWE just lost touch with what real people want in wrestling. They started catering too much to pop culture, and started catering too much to the stupid internet wrestling community, and in the process they lost all the average guys who watched it simply to be entertained. No, there will never be another Rock or Austin, but why not let the guys that are there really go all out? The damn show is censored to death now. Not just words, but messages are being lost as well for a more clean cut image. Look what they did to Carlito, why couldn't he have been a heelish face like Rock was? Why make him a complete gump coming to the ring with a bimbo? Speaking of bimbos, when's the last time you saw one of them in a thong? Name the last time you saw someone in a thong on the WWE. I bet it was either Vince, Vito, or Big Dick Johnson. WWE just lost their balls and that's why it doesn't feel the same."

[Watts]

WWF died back in the mid 90s as far as I am truly concerned...

[amsiraK]

Two points:

1 - God, I miss BikerTaker

2 - God, I miss The Rock

[Seth Drakin of Monster Crap]

God.....I miss alot of things in the attitude era.

[Hellsing920]

That video left me speechless. It was awesome. Now, I have to go and dig in my big bin of tapes and relive some memories. It really makes the crap we see every Monday, Tuesday, and Friday look really bad, huh?

[Arturo Classico]

Yes WWF isn't as good as it was but it will get better eventually it isn't dead. I mean it has potential with some future stars but don't be so pessimistic it will get better. I mean we have Burke, Punk, Benjamin, Carlito, Kennedy, and MVP. So it has some potential to get better they just have to book better. I mean Smackdown has been great lately and if they could duplicate that on all three brands WWE would be great. Really the main event sucks, fix the tag divison and cruiser division, push intresting charcters more and they need longer matches to create intreast. It's not dead at all.

[Seth Drakin of Monster Crap]

For me, things went downhill for WWE at Wrestlemania 20, when Beniot and Guerrero were celebrating as both the WWE Champion and World Champion at the end of the show. I mean, having two guys who have been friends forever celebrate becoming the top two guys in this business with all of the crap they had dealt with is hard to beat.

[Hellsing920]

I think I know what would really save the WWE. Lose all the boring promos. Let me explain this.

Remember the good ol' days, when the story was told for the most part in the ring? The only talking that had to be done was a short and sweet promo that ran no longer than five minutes? You were interested. We didn't need to see Randy Savage try to get Hogan's family involved in their feud in order to care about the Mega Powers colliding. They said their peace every week for a few minutes, and we were riveted.

Now, we have Vince, Edge, Orton, Cena, HBK, Triple H, and a host of others wasting so much time out there babbling and going nowhere. We don't need to hear Edge and Orton b!tch about not getting a title shot for 20 minutes. It's just pathetic.

Hell, look at Ken Kennedy. I was intrigued by his feud with 'Taker, and it was done mostly though short promos (at least, that's all I saw). Why can't WWE do more of this?

[Ragnal]

Funny as this sounds, I'd take Sexual Chocolate, McMahon-Helomsley Era, Koko B. Ware, George Steele, and Grutus Beefcake over the Spirit Squad, the Diva Search, the revived DX and WWECW any day of the week.

[Bob Schlapowitz]

mikeragnal said:

Funny as this sounds, I'd take Sexual Chocolate, McMahon-Helomsley Era, Koko B. Ware, George Steele, and Grutus Beefcake over the Spirit Squad, the Diva Search, the revived DX and WWECW any day of the week.

You're not the only one.

Just out of curiousity what do you guys think Vince Sr. would have to say about the name change?

[Person With A Hat]

He'd probably slap his son in the face, for one thing.

[Juggalo/Hulkamaniac]

Funny thing is, isn't like like everything these days? I mean, old wrestling is better than new wrestling, older music is better than new music, old video games are better than new video games and so on.

[Milkman Norm]

First off all wrestling needs more pop culture. Pop culture is awesome. Seriously the days of wrestling being this little niche thing that can suckle off the popularity of mass culture but can go hide from the spotlight need to end. Secondly I don't think they lost their balls. Rather I think it was a matter of not being able to push the envelope any futher. When the attitude era began most of the general publics perception of wrestling was from the cartoonish 80's so that any adult themed thing that was done seemed to be shocking. But at some point WWE reached a point that they couldn't cross for whatever reason, be it Standards, the USA network, advertisors, or the FCC. Vince might like to act like he's the king but his company has got to work with a lot of other groups and he's gotta play ball. So the line was reached and then WWF had to back off, but because they had done nothing that wasn't built to being "extreme" they had no direction and became stagnent.

[Hellsing920]

juggalones7 said:

Funny thing is, isn't like like everything these days? I mean, old wrestling is better than new wrestling, older music is better than new music, old video games are better than new video games and so on.

Well, that can be sorta explained. All three of your examples; wrestling, music, and video games, are things people believe strongly in.

Most people look at the older versions of these three items, and they see something that was made with a lot of heart. It basically is a less sappy way of saying "the secret ingredient is love."

The current worlds of wrestling, music, and video games are seen by some as nothing more than heartless commercialized whore-outs, just trying to get the newest "it thing" out there and collect as much money as humanly possible from it.

It may not be completely true, but some people (myself even just a little) will see it that way.

[Shake A Leg]

I just added this to my Myspace page. damn that other company named WWF. bring back its old great name.

World Wrestling Federation!

[8-BitAssassin]

juggalones7 said:

Funny thing is, isn't like like everything these days? I mean, old wrestling is better than new wrestling, older music is better than new music, old video games are better than new video games and so on.

Most forms of entertainment seem to be lulling at the moment. Times are changing and the corporate world is slow on the uptake. It will even out in the end.

Remember, WWF has had really crappy times, and then they turn around and give us something like Hulkamania or the Attitude Era.

[Milkman Norm]

Question about the name change: Why are people angry that a envormental orginization that exist to protect the wildlife of our planet got to use a name that they had first over a wrestling company, that in the scheme of things, doesn't really do anything. I mean I'm a fan but the McMahon company lost the name far and square

[Hellsing920]

milkmannorm said:

Question about the name change: Why are people angry that a envormental orginization that exist to protect the wildlife of our planet got to use a name that they had first over a wrestling company, that in the scheme of things, doesn't really do anything. I mean I'm a fan but the McMahon company lost the name far and square

I think it's just that we as a species fear change. Well, in this case, we are angered by change. Don't ask me.

I think that the company has gone downhill since the name change, but the name change didn't have anything to do with it. Horrid booking has everything to do with it.