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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 19, 2007 21:33:59 GMT -5
PWInsider put up an audio file today about the latest in the Warrior vs. WWE legal battle. After being asked to give specific examples of where WWE damaged Warrior's name, he listed the following from the DVD:
-WWE lied about coming up with the "Ultimate Warrior" name. In interviews with Warrior, all throughout the years, he tells a story of how he is actually the one to have come up with that ring name while doing his first promo for the company.
-WWE damaged Warrior's name by stating on the DVD that he was unable to have a good match unless someone carried him. Basically, Warrior is claiming that they damaged him by claiming that he wasn't a good in ring worker.
-WWE stated on the DVD (Bobby Heenan they believe) that Warrior never understood how the match went.
-Some various quotes: "If someone came from another planet, it could be Jim...Jim is very different. "He (Warrior) was too stupid to know where he was from and no one from his town wanted to be associated with him." "The tassels tied to his arms cut off the circulation to his head."
-WWE stated that he could not do an interview.
As you can see, it's just the normal stuff that anyone here would be able to list. In short, he had a problem with the entire DVD.
-WWE said he was dangerous in the ring.
-They said he didn't know anything about wrestling, and didn't really care about the business.
-They said that he held Vince up, and Warrior claims that wasn't true.
-The quote from Vince saying that he couldn't wait to fire Warrior.
-Saying that Jim found it hard to differentiate himself from his character.
-Saying that no one liked Warrior and no one wanted to work with him.
What Warrior needs to prove is that the DVD was produced in order to harm Warrior's name and personality. He is after damages, have WWE cover his attorney's fees, and he also wants all footage, notes, films, discs, tapes, and all materials used to produce the Warrior DVD. In short, he wants the rights to all of the Ultimate Warrior footage He has also asked for a jury trial.
Not taking sides, but the fact that WWE originally titled the Bret Hart DVD Screwed: The Bret Hart Story (or something like that), does not help WWE's case and does make it look like they intentionally try to damage former workers if they do not agree to work with you again in the future.
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Post by odor31 on Feb 19, 2007 21:38:54 GMT -5
Warrior's own egotistical fault.
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Post by seanwalsh on Feb 19, 2007 21:48:37 GMT -5
Did this DVD negatively affect any indy bookings or his ability to make a living in the squared circle?
Because him going off and ranting like a madman on the Internet and at public appearances *PROBABLY* did more damage...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2007 21:54:24 GMT -5
Not taking sides, but the fact that WWE originally titled the Bret Hart DVD Screwed: The Bret Hart Story (or something like that), does not help WWE's case and does make it look like they intentionally try to damage former workers if they do not agree to work with you again in the future. Couldn't WWE then point out how Hart worked with them and say that Warrior refused and was/is hostile toward them? |
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 19, 2007 22:02:35 GMT -5
Did this DVD negatively affect any indy bookings or his ability to make a living in the squared circle? Because him going off and ranting like a madman on the Internet and at public appearances *PROBABLY* did more damage... Yeah. "Probably." It has nothing to do with the whole bat-crap crazy thing, I'm sure. Does he even wrestle anymore? I hadn't heard of him hitting the squared circle lately. For this to be successful, he's going to have to prove that they intended to cause him damage and/or they intentionally lied to do the same. Otherwise, it's just everyone calling a spade a spade. He's gotta prove he wasn't an idiot and hard to work with. And I'm sure an in-court appearance is gonna clear that RIGHT up.  Please air this on Court TV. There's gold in them thar hills. |
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Post by jfpierce on Feb 19, 2007 22:09:44 GMT -5
Not taking sides, but the fact that WWE originally titled the Bret Hart DVD Screwed: The Bret Hart Story (or something like that), does not help WWE's case and does make it look like they intentionally try to damage former workers if they do not agree to work with you again in the future. Couldn't WWE then point out how Hart worked with them and say that Warrior refused and was/is hostile toward them? That would basically be the WWE admitting that they blackmailed Bret Hart. I don't think think that would help their case much. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 19, 2007 22:11:26 GMT -5
Lawyer: "Please state your name."
Warrior: "When the thunderbolts appeared and the elephants stampeded across the tundra, there was only one force left in the multiverse, the only force capable of handling the destruction of the twelve planets and all the comets, the only force of survival and destruction that understood the alignment of the desert moon and it was the WAAAARRRRRIIIAHHHHHHHH!!!!!"
Lawyer: "Your honor, the defense rests."
Judge: "This man is batshit crazy. I award the case to the WWE."
Warrior: "WAAAARRRRRRRRRIIIIIIAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!"
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Post by Jiren on Feb 19, 2007 22:20:55 GMT -5
Once they hear his name IS warrior then that must conclude he's a F***ing fruitloop
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Post by BigBadZ on Feb 19, 2007 22:29:51 GMT -5
Lawyer: "Please state your name." Warrior: "When the thunderbolts appeared and the elephants stampeded across the tundra, there was only one force left in the multiverse, the only force capable of handling the destruction of the twelve planets and all the comets, the only force of survival and destruction that understood the alignment of the desert moon and it was the WAAAARRRRRIIIAHHHHHHHH!!!!!" Lawyer: "Your honor, the defense rests." Judge: "This man is batcrap crazy. I award the case to the WWE." Warrior: "WAAAARRRRRRRRRIIIIIIAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!" Not to steal your story but I think the next logical step would be Warrior pulling out a boom box, playing his entrance music and going absolutely nuts in the court room. |
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 19, 2007 22:32:31 GMT -5
"Warrior" damages his own "name" with his idiotic rantings.
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Post by amsiraK on Feb 19, 2007 23:03:22 GMT -5
Once they hear his name IS warrior then that must conclude he's a F***ing fruitloop Yeah, that's a dead giveaway. |
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 19, 2007 23:12:02 GMT -5
The Byte This imitation that they posted (and then pulled) could be something brought up in the trial. Personally, I think the DVD was pretty harsh at times, but I don't think it was something to sue over.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 19, 2007 23:38:11 GMT -5
How can WWE have copyright, since Warrior is God, and therefore created the laws?
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Post by Ijob2HHH on Feb 20, 2007 0:06:17 GMT -5
Considering that the case is based on him saying they damaged his character, all wwe has to do is show the journal entry from his website about how he went fishing in the big easy I think the week after hurricane katrina hit? You can't accuse people of character assault AFTER you commited character suicide
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Post by reiko22 on Feb 20, 2007 0:13:20 GMT -5
I hope that the jury will consist of 12 gay people.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 20, 2007 0:27:34 GMT -5
PWInsider put up an audio file today about the latest in the Warrior vs. WWE legal battle. After being asked to give specific examples of where WWE damaged Warrior's name, he listed the following from the DVD: -WWE lied about coming up with the "Ultimate Warrior" name. In interviews with Warrior, all throughout the years, he tells a story of how he is actually the one to have come up with that ring name while doing his first promo for the company. -WWE damaged Warrior's name by stating on the DVD that he was unable to have a good match unless someone carried him. Basically, Warrior is claiming that they damaged him by claiming that he wasn't a good in ring worker. -WWE stated on the DVD (Bobby Heenan they believe) that Warrior never understood how the match went. -Some various quotes: "If someone came from another planet, it could be Jim...Jim is very different. "He (Warrior) was too stupid to know where he was from and no one from his town wanted to be associated with him." "The tassels tied to his arms cut off the circulation to his head." -WWE stated that he could not do an interview. As you can see, it's just the normal stuff that anyone here would be able to list. In short, he had a problem with the entire DVD. -WWE said he was dangerous in the ring. -They said he didn't know anything about wrestling, and didn't really care about the business. -They said that he held Vince up, and Warrior claims that wasn't true. -The quote from Vince saying that he couldn't wait to fire Warrior. -Saying that Jim found it hard to differentiate himself from his character. -Saying that no one liked Warrior and no one wanted to work with him. What Warrior needs to prove is that the DVD was produced in order to harm Warrior's name and personality. He is after damages, have WWE cover his attorney's fees, and he also wants all footage, notes, films, discs, tapes, and all materials used to produce the Warrior DVD. In short, he wants the rights to all of the Ultimate Warrior footage He has also asked for a jury trial. Not taking sides, but the fact that WWE originally titled the Bret Hart DVD Screwed: The Bret Hart Story (or something like that), does not help WWE's case and does make it look like they intentionally try to damage former workers if they do not agree to work with you again in the future. Saying it's people who I either have a hard time believing would tell the truth to save their lives on one side a guy who's personal views violently clash with my own I really don't have a horse in this one. That being said I think that I side with Warrior on this, and I'd never think I'd say that. That dvd was nothing but a cheap hachet job on a guy that they (WWF) had built up and used to gain money. He had trouble seperationing his character? Um has Mark Calloway said that publicly about himself. Besides isn't that was WWF wanted Warrior to do? He couldn't cut interviews and wasn't a skilled worker? Of course because every other 275 lbs former bodybuilder that Vince brought in could talk better than Dusty Rhodes and work better than Ricky Steamboat. He didn't care about the bussiness? Again Vince has never ever hired anyone else who didn't live and die wrestling. He would also be the only go to ever work who could be sloppy in the ring. I don't know about the specifics of the lawsuit, and I think that WWE will win or reach settlement because libel/slanders is really hard to prove iin the United States. But WWF(E) used Warrior for everything he had and then spat him out. Is he nuts, maybe, at the very least he has some radical views that I think are completly wrong. But the fact that WWE was so willing to throw him down while claiming credit for everything good he did is cheap and vile to me. |
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Feb 20, 2007 8:34:10 GMT -5
The thing is, Warrior is actually a pretty canny businessman. Okay he has a rep on this board and the web in general for being a loon, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the guy spent a very small part of his life in the ring, yet cultivated a mythology that allowed him to make a living off it nearly twenty years after his wrestling days were over. I believe that Hogan said that the best wrestler is the one who makes the most money with the least amount of work or injury. Warrior makes his money off the back of simply being Warrior. And if anyone out there does anything that ridicules his name, they are attacking his ability to make a living. Going out to seminars and riling up the crowds by saying things that will PO the majority of people in attendence may seem like the guy is a few drips short of a piss, but at the end of the day, it also helps to get him further bookings on the lecture circuit. The WWE is making money off the back of Warrior's name and reputation, yet also offering the standpoint that the man was a jerk and a goof and should never have been a wrestler, or while he was a wrestler, that he was unpopular among other wrestlers. It didn't stop them from pushing him to the moon tho, and sitting back watching the cash come in. Rant over.  |
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Post by Person With A Hat on Feb 20, 2007 9:09:09 GMT -5
Going out to seminars and riling up the crowds by saying things that will PO the majority of people in attendence may seem like the guy is a few drips short of a piss, but at the end of the day, it also helps to get him further bookings on the lecture circuit. The WWE is making money off the back of Warrior's name and reputation, yet also offering the standpoint that the man was a jerk and a goof and should never have been a wrestler, or while he was a wrestler, that he was unpopular among other wrestlers. The thing is, there's a contradiction in those statements : WWE claims he's a loon, so he is less hired to do lectures - Yet in those lectures, he acts like a total crazy bastard and thus secures more lectures? It boggles me mind. |
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Post by skskillz on Feb 20, 2007 9:36:07 GMT -5
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sides with Warrior here. Seriously, if any of you don't think the DVD was defamation of character, you're crazy. That was a character burial. If Warrior still makes money off his name (and he does), then he does have a case. Whether he wins or not is a different matter.
The WWE was completely out of line with the DVD. I don't care what Warrior is/was like as a person. You know who else is/was a certifiable prick? Shawn Michaels. Where's his DVD? Oh wait, his DVD is showering him with praise. My mistake.
"Warrior didn't appreciate his spot"...."he didn't care about wrestling"....."he couldn't cut an interview"....
...yet that didn't stop the company from pushing him to the moon and bringing him back three times after fallouts.
I hope Warrior robs the WWE blind in this case.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Feb 20, 2007 9:39:37 GMT -5
I usually agree with ya, skillz, but not this time.
And I'm not just some blind Warrior hater, I liked the guy in his day and can admit it, but the WWE should be allowed to present their opinions. They say Warrior sucked in the ring, didn't appreciate his spot, etc etc....well, that's not impossible! I'm sure they've pushed plenty of guys who didn't deserve it, or who didn't work hard. That doesn't mean he wasn't a success, but it can mean that his peers and co-workers didn't care for him.
Plus like others have mentioned, its not like the DVD 'adversely affected his indy bookings'. Has he even been involved in the wrestling business since his horrid WCW run?
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