Foley putting over the younger guys

[willywonka666]

Mick Foley, since his retirement has come back on occasion to promote his new books and get involved in a short feud with a younger talent, Do you think his jobbing to the likes of randy orton and edge pushed them up the ladder? or was it more of a matter of "Oh, Foley's jobbing again?" I'm not more impressed with orton or edge because they beat Foley, I guess I bemoan the fact that he lost another match. The younger guys were already pretty high up at that point anyway, and I never bought that "edge was hardcore" crap

[Desi]

Foley does help but at the end of the day, it's his opponents who have to follow up. Some do and some don't.

[Richard]

I think it helped Edge but, I don't think it did anything for Orton.

[Dynamic Dee]

Orton beating Foley was big in 2004. He didn't have any big wins over an established guy up to that point. It got him over more but his momentum was killed by the face turn that summer. Edge on the other hand didn't need a win over Foley. He already held the WWE belt by that point and had a bunch of big wins under his belt.

[Next Level was WRONG]

He's given the two of them (Orton especially) one of their best fueds to date each. And helped make both of them look better than ever. (Something that Hogan does'nt.)

[Godhand]

I think it helps but not as much as a win over lets say Hogan.

[Cousin Judge]

nextlevel said:

He's given the two of them (Orton especially) one of their best fueds to date each. And helped make both of them look better than ever. (Something that Hogan does'nt.)

Difference:
When Foley jobs now it's meaningless, when Hogan does it isn't.

Sorry to say it but just "laying down" for the pure and simple reasons that someones parents had sex 20 years after your parents had sex is not ever necessarily great for business you know and because Foley has laid down on almost every comeback, his matches and his 'rub' are unimportant and non-existent respectively.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

/\ true dat

his feud with Edge was EPIC, but it wasn't really a "give him a rub" feud so much as just a great feud between 2 established workers.

his feud with orton should have been what put the guy over the top, but Orton didn't do anything with that momentum and his face turn made the win seem meaningless

really, the only guy Foley's rub ever helped was Triple H

[Dynamic Dee]

When Edge beat Foley at Mania, i liked the match but it didn't mean anything in my opinion because I knew like everyone else that there was no chance Foley was going to beat Edge. Foley already established himself as that old star who jobs to the new stars. Hogan still is booked to beat guys younger than him so when he jobs to a new guy it means more.

[Richard]

baldobomb said:

/\ true dat

his feud with Edge was EPIC, but it wasn't really a "give him a rub" feud so much as just a great feud between 2 established workers.

I don't know, I think his feud with Edge gave Edge that edge (pardon the pun) that every good heel needs. Before that, Edge seemed to just be that pretty boy heel that need to cheat or he would get his ass kicked. After Foley, Edge had that aura about him that made people take notice and consider him a threat to whoever the champ is.

[ellisdee]

The feud with Edge was really great. I marked out during there final match. It made Edge a bigger star in my eyes.

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

I really don't see what's bad about Foley losing.

Just the fact that he's doing the true veteran move of giving back to the business speaks volumes about Foley.

[The OP]

I agree. I think Edge's match with Foley made him seem more dangerous. I think it helped him.

In the case of Orton/Foley I don't think it helped as much because people saw it as them trying to recreate the Triple H/Cactus Jack hardcore match. Probably cause they used a lot more of the same spots and Orton was Triple H's protege at the time.

In general I would think Yes more than No, so that's how I vote.

[skskillz]

areyouready said:

Difference:
When Foley jobs now it's meaningless, when Hogan does it isn't.

Sorry to say it but just "laying down" for the pure and simple reasons that someones parents had sex 20 years after your parents had sex is not ever necessarily great for business you know and because Foley has laid down on almost every comeback, his matches and his 'rub' are unimportant and non-existent respectively.

Exactly.

It's great that Foley wants to "give back" to the business, but beating Mick stopped bring a big deal in 2000. He has no rub left to give.

When Rock jobs to guys, he generally looks strong BEFORE doing the job, therefore making the job worthwhile. Foley just shows up, plugs one of his books, gets challenged to match, says that "Cactus Jack" will show up instead, and then he lays down. It's not good business, and Foley is essentially pissing away his name.

He's coming back for the pay-offs, and there's nothing wrong with that. But let's not pretend he's doing a service to the business here. Edge beating Foley did nothing. It helped Orton a bit, but only because Orton took some bumps in the match.

Foley has reached Ric Flair's current status. Beating him means nothing. Facing him means nothing. He's just there.

[The OP]

Whoa whoa whoa. Was the Orton/Foley match more violent than Foley/Edge? I don't think so.

Your last statement is also pretty confusing considering Foley's last feud was against Ric Flair.

[Dynamic Dee]

dagreenguy said:

I really don't see what's bad about Foley losing.

Just the fact that he's doing the true veteran move of giving back to the business speaks volumes about Foley.

Nothing is really wrong with it. Actually now that I think about it, even in his prime he lost alot more matches than he won. Or when he did win he spent alot of time making the other guy look good. But no nothing is really wrong with that. Its just predictable now when he comes back in the ring against a younger up-and-coming guy, he is going to most likely get beat. It usually results in a good match though.

[skskillz]

taxcollector said:

Whoa whoa whoa. Was the Orton/Foley match more violent than Foley/Edge? I don't think so.

I didn't see either match, but Edge was already an established high spot guy before he beat Foley. Orton took bumps that (according to reports) made people respect him more. I don't think beating Foley helped Orton as much as falling on tacks and whatever else he did that night.

[Cyberwoo]

areyouready said:

nextlevel said:

He's given the two of them (Orton especially) one of their best fueds to date each. And helped make both of them look better than ever. (Something that Hogan does'nt.)

Difference:
When Foley jobs now it's meaningless, when Hogan does it isn't.

Um, in what world does Hogan job now? Maybe 5 years ago he did but that is a long time from now.

To answer the question, yes I think it helps. As watered down as Foley is now days, he is still a legend and beating him gives a young wrestler a rub, but as some one else said it is up to that person to make the most of it.

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

skskillz said:

taxcollector said:

Whoa whoa whoa. Was the Orton/Foley match more violent than Foley/Edge? I don't think so.

I didn't see either match, but Edge was already an established high spot guy before he beat Foley. Orton took bumps that (according to reports) made people respect him more. I don't think beating Foley helped Orton as much as falling on tacks and whatever else he did that night.

If you didn't see the Edge match, how can you say that?

Honestly?

[T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens]

[Sarcasm] No WAY does it help. He should beat them every single week like Shawn Michaels does. That'd REALLY help. [Sarcasm/]