Foley putting over the younger guys

[MGH]

Foley's feud with Orton MADE him. Anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. That Backlash match set off the hottest period in Orton's career which only ended because 1) He was turned in to some poor excuse for a face, and 2) he went down to the Game seemingly every month for 4 months.

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To us smarks, it doesn't. To the marks, Foley will always be a god, so for them, it does.

[skskillz]

dagreenguy said:

If you didn't see the Edge match, how can you say that?

Honestly?

How can I say what? I said Edge was already an established high spot guy before the match, and he was (TLC matches). The only reason Edge was facing Foley was because they were planning Cena/HHH all along for WM, and they needed someone to put over Edge in the meantime (it really should have been Cena chasing Edge at WM, but whatever). It did nothing to elevate Edge because right after that he picked up right where he left off before Hunter got in the mix (feuding with Cena).

Yes, I didn't see the match, nor am I knocking or discrediting the bumps that were taken in the match. My point was whether Edge was better after the match from a status standpoint, and considering he went back to Cena (a place where he was before even starting his feud with Mick), I don't think it really did much of anything except give the fans a spotfest at WM.

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

Like others have said, it added more to Edge's character and made him a threat to Cena's reign.

[The King of Memphis Tennessee]

setsunameioh said:

Foley does help but at the end of the day, it's his opponents who have to follow up. Some do and some don't.

QFT. End of thread.

[nisi]

I think it does really help, but also that Foley got Flaired out and really overjobbed a bit.

[oltrelamorte]

Yes.

It made me respect Orton more after the match they had & because it was getting me back into Edge, whom I didn't care a lot for since late 2004. Edge taking the belt from Cena & then his match with Foley at Wrestlemania made me an Edge fan again.

[The Jeebus]

Mick Foley basically handed Orton a silver platter topped with overness, but of course he went and blew it by being his dumb self.

[Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You]

Well his job to the younger guys was certainly more meaningful than the job to Flair (though I loved seeing them put their past behind them and book a great promo feud based on it).

His job to Edge was vital if you ask me. Edge was a three-week champ and this made him dangerous, and relevant, fast.

[reiko22]

I can't even remember the last match that Foley won

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

reiko22 said:

I can't even remember the last match that Foley won

I wanna say against Carlito at Taboo Tuesday couple years ago.

[carter 15]

I think because the Orton "rub" was three years ago (roughly) people have forgoten how important it was to his career. He DID gain momentum, hell it elevated him to the main event before the failed face turn, and that failed because his character was changed, not because he was being "his dumb self", what ever the hell that means.

[Richard]

reiko22 said:

I can't even remember the last match that Foley won

Singles: vs. Carlito at Taboo Tuesday 2004

Tag: ECW One Night Stand 2006 with Edge and Lita vs. Dreamer, Funk and Beulah.

[carter 15]

chuckymac314 said:

reiko22 said:

I can't even remember the last match that Foley won

I wanna say against Carlito at Taboo Tuesday couple years ago.

which is pretty funny, because i remember when that did happen the IWC was complaining that it was a pointless match and made Carlito look weak.

Can't win aye?

[Jeff]

yes it does

[The Jeebus]

p93 said:

I think because the Orton "rub" was three years ago (roughly) people have forgoten how important it was to his career. He DID gain momentum, hell it elevated him to the main event before the failed face turn, and that failed because his character was changed, not because he was being "his dumb self", what ever the hell that means.

As if his primate-like brain, unable to complete simple sentences, could have helped him.

[MOH [Still ''Le Sighing'']]

Both of these feuds were awesome, and in my opinion really did add credibility to both of them.
In Orton's case, he had it taken away with a lame face turn but is now getting it back. Whilst Edge is just frickin awesome, that feud with Foley was just amazing and the final match will always be one of my favourites...I marked hard for the finish, as did everyone in the house.

Le Sigh

[Loki]

jinxed said:

baldobomb said:

/\ true dat

his feud with Edge was EPIC, but it wasn't really a "give him a rub" feud so much as just a great feud between 2 established workers.

I don't know, I think his feud with Edge gave Edge that edge (pardon the pun) that every good heel needs. Before that, Edge seemed to just be that pretty boy heel that need to cheat or he would get his ass kicked. After Foley, Edge had that aura about him that made people take notice and consider him a threat to whoever the champ is.

Too bad the aura vanished as Edge became Cena's whipping boy immediately after that feud

And, no I don't think Foley jobbing really serves a purpose now.

Sure it helped Orton a bit, and to an extent Edge as well, but Mick has been semi-retired for quite a long time now, and when he comes back to feud with a "new" guy, it's pretty obvious he's gonna lose.

And that's pretty much usuless after the first or second time.

[The OP]

I disagree with your assessment Loki, and in fact, I think it misses the point entirely.

The fact that everyone knows Foley will lose is not important at all. People started to mark hard for Edge after their Mania match, not because he won, but because he speared Foley through a flaming table.

[Person With A Hat]

areyouready said:

Difference:
When Foley jobs now it's meaningless, when Hogan does it isn't.

For Hogan jobbing meaning something, he has to do the job. Which he doesn't.