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Post by Mr. Zombie on Feb 15, 2007 18:40:42 GMT -5
Bret Hart was way over from '91-'95.He has charisma.....people had strong reactions to what he did and who he was during his prime. I'm not te world's biggest Bret Hart fan, but wrestling fans have no memory whatsoever. How many here making comments actually watched him wrestle in his heyday, and not on videotape or DVDs recently?
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Post by odanobunaga on Feb 15, 2007 18:56:32 GMT -5
If Hart were around in his prime today, he would currently be languishing on Smackdown! in a feud with Matt Hardy. Hart was in the right era, in the right company, at the right time. I fail to see how he consistently ranks in the top 3 of 'best ever' polls. SORELY over-rated, in my opinion. Discuss. He was mega over outside the US, and he was way more over than Hogan in Brazil. So to me, Bret IS the greatest of then all. At least from Canada. I am still expecting someone to surpass him from there. |
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Post by Joie De Vivre on Feb 15, 2007 19:08:07 GMT -5
The whole "No charisma" argument I hear with Bret Hart is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Just because someone doesn't use 50 catchphrases and say "ass" every second word, like everyone does now. Doesn't mean he had no charisma. Bingo |
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Post by Joker on Feb 15, 2007 19:59:18 GMT -5
If Bret Hart was in his prime for 2007 he would be in the main event. Mainly because he would have joined the wwe in 1991 as a tag-team wrestler and worked his way to the top just like he did in the 80s. Plus the WWE is in desperate need of a solid young face, Bret Hart would be an obvious choice over John 'I try to be a face but get booed half the time' Cena or The Animal 'thank go they fluffled Orton's face turn' Batista.
Kids liked Bret Hart, he could wrestle with anyone big or small, he was the sensible member of his tag team, he always did what was right but not in an over the top way. Some say he has no charisma, that didn't stop Rey Mysterio last year or RVD this year.
The reason today the main event is dominated by big brawler types is because ...
A: The majority of the time in the past it has been big men that brawl, or one of the two. Thus it must work. (Vince McMahon logic for you).
B: The new generation of more athletic wrestlers the wwe has are quite frankly not good enough.
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Post by Mattification on Feb 15, 2007 20:18:09 GMT -5
During his heyday, when Austin spoke, people would laugh and shout aloung with his catchphrases.
During his heyday, when The Rock spoke, people would laugh and shout aloung with his catchphrases.
When Bret Hart spoke, you listened. He didn`t have the audience in stitches or shouting, 'HELL YEAH!!!!' but you got the impression the match you were about to see was very important to him and had meaning. Even if it was some squash match.
Don`t get me wrong I loved Austin and The Rock. But they were more about makin the audience laugh than telling the story of the fued. For me, Bret was the best at that.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 16, 2007 10:04:23 GMT -5
During his heyday, when Austin spoke, people would laugh and shout aloung with his catchphrases. During his heyday, when The Rock spoke, people would laugh and shout aloung with his catchphrases. When Bret Hart spoke, you listened. He didn`t have the audience in stitches or shouting, 'HELL YEAH!!!!' but you got the impression the match you were about to see was very important to him and had meaning. Even if it was some squash match. Don`t get me wrong I loved Austin and The Rock. But they were more about makin the audience laugh than telling the story of the fued. For me, Bret was the best at that. Damn straight. I remember a match that he had on the Sunday morning show against Barry Horowitz that was the best TV match that year that did not involve Vader destroying Mick Foley. Seriously, it was so good that it made me a mark for Horowitz. |
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Post by Hemmeorrhage on Feb 16, 2007 14:40:41 GMT -5
If the author of this thread ever found himself saying this in Canada, he would get his ass kicked....well no Canada isn't known for being aggresive. Canada is the North American version of France. Whenever a disagreement takes place, wave a white flag first then try to straighten out the problem. The author of this thread would get a stern disagreement...no. The author would get a sad face from Canadian wrestling fans followed by complete agreement until he left.
Its always been my opinion that if Canada and the U.S.A. were to have a major issue, we could send in ten soldiers on horseback armed with BB guns to take over the whole country.
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 16, 2007 15:29:19 GMT -5
I see your point in the way that Benoit is treated that way-and he can wrestle, no offense to Benoit because it's probably due to the fact that he was not a WWF guy all those years, but I think Bret would be in the title mix on a very consistent basis today
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 16, 2007 16:09:05 GMT -5
If the author of this thread ever found himself saying this in Canada, he would get his ass kicked....well no Canada isn't known for being aggresive. Canada is the North American version of France. Whenever a disagreement takes place, wave a white flag first then try to straighten out the problem. The author of this thread would get a stern disagreement...no. The author would get a sad face from Canadian wrestling fans followed by complete agreement until he left. Its always been my opinion that if Canada and the U.S.A. were to have a major issue, we could send in ten soldiers on horseback armed with BB guns to take over the whole country. Some people find the argument "Bret is a hero" in Canada to ridiculous. Really, it kind of is. Bret is a hero to Canadian Wrestlin fans, but the average person wouldn't know who he is. Around my parts they could probably say, "Oh, he's the wrestler from Calgary, right?" Since I live about 3 hours southeast of Calgary, but to most people......they wouldn't know. Canada and the US have had major issues, but I can't mention them for fearing of getting the topic locked. |
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Post by gabou142 on Feb 16, 2007 18:21:55 GMT -5
If the author of this thread ever found himself saying this in Canada, he would get his ass kicked....well no Canada isn't known for being aggresive. Canada is the North American version of France. Whenever a disagreement takes place, wave a white flag first then try to straighten out the problem. The author of this thread would get a stern disagreement...no. The author would get a sad face from Canadian wrestling fans followed by complete agreement until he left. Its always been my opinion that if Canada and the U.S.A. were to have a major issue, we could send in ten soldiers on horseback armed with BB guns to take over the whole country. Well, I would say to go f*** yourself, but unfortunatly...I think you are right!!  |
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Post by Loki on Feb 16, 2007 18:56:07 GMT -5
Bret Hart had tons of charisma. The sole fact he got mega-over (check tapes please...) wearing BRIGHT PINK ring gear speak volumes about his innate charisma.
It wasn't the Austin/Rock kind of charisma though. He didn't even need a funny catchphrase, an over the top character, a loud and foul mouth.
Bret's charisma had nothing to do with "brother!", "hell yeah" or "candy-ass"... He didn't have to scream to make his point clear.
All he did was explaining/recapping the feud so far, and going to the ring, putting on a usually great match.
Bret made it BELIEVABLE: his gimmick was BEING a wrestler, the best there is etc...
Every feud he was involved in was about pride and recognition, even if he was feuding with Isaac Yankem, the goal was showing Lawler he was the "real" King.
The "family feuds" with Piper, Davey Boy and Owen were a great example of how to work a family angle without making it look like a wrestling version of "Dynasty" (see, McMahons' debacles).
Even the heel turn (which I hated) was about respect, and I found, and still find, despicable that the Bret was booked as a heel for basically saying the truth about the fans. But times were changing and Vince wanted to capitalize on Austin's popularity.
Everything was louder than everything else, booking making less sense as weeks went by, becoming a total mess with neverending twists and turns, so Bret's no frills approach was no longer appreciated.
But in the end it's guys with "no charisma" like Bret who keep the boat afloat while Big Charismatic Guys come and go, burning fast...
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Post by ellisdee on Feb 16, 2007 19:05:19 GMT -5
Agreed. He has slightly more charisma than Benoit. But still an ace workrate. I love the Hitman but i do think he is over rated.
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