Favorite Hogan era

[Garcia Vega]

theboss said:

garciavega said:

Include Savage, Warrior (yeah I know, I lose my smark card for that one), and Piper and I agree 100%.

It also helped that the midcard was full of guys like Jake Roberts, Ted Dibiase and Mr Perfect.

There's no question that the 80's had the most talent of any era with HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN clearly being the standout man that brought in the fans. But how can you include the Ultimate Warrior? He may have been over at one point, but so was Uncle Elmer. In retrospect his long term effect on pro wrestling was zero.

Because when I think back to the time when I enjoyed wrestling the most, I think of 3 people. Hogan, Warrior, and Savage. Regardless of what people think of him as a person, he was still one of the most entertaining guys to ever step foot in the WWF at the time, and it still rings true (for me) today.

Regardless of what revolutionist history would like you to believe, Ultimate Warrior was one of the most over workers in the history of wrestling.

Call him a flash in the pan all you'd like, but that was more or less on his terms, not the fans getting sick of him.

[The Boss]

garciavega said:

Regardless of what revolutionist history would like you to believe, Ultimate Warrior was one of the most over workers in the history of wrestling.

Revolutionist history? No one doubts that the man was over for a time. But he came in when the pro wrestling boom was already at it's peak. He added nothing and he also burned out quickly. If anything is revolutionist history it's trying to claim that the Ultimate Warrior was one of the guys that made wrestling popular. He mearly road a wave of popularity that was already there.

His WrestleMania VI match was history making in the fact that it was HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN'S first clean loss in nearly 10 years. But once he had the ball he failed to carry it.

[Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta]

I voted Hulkamania, but his initial NWO heel turn was amazing. I'd say Hulkamania was the ultimate face turn, while the NWO turn was the ultimate heel turn. Yin and Yang I suppose.

[Kerry Von Erich is my hero]

'94-96 WCW Hogan. Because I loved the Dungeon of Doom and because he turned WCW into WWF-lite

[Garcia Vega]

theboss said:

garciavega said:

Regardless of what revolutionist history would like you to believe, Ultimate Warrior was one of the most over workers in the history of wrestling.

Revolutionist history? No one doubts that the man was over for a time. But he came in when the pro wrestling boom was already at it's peak. He added nothing and he also burned out quickly. If anything is revolutionist history it's trying to claim that the Ultimate Warrior was one of the guys that made wrestling popular. He mearly road a wave of popularity that was already there.

His WrestleMania VI match was history making in the fact that it was HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN'S first clean loss in nearly 10 years. But once he had the ball he failed to carry it.

I'm not sure what you are trying to disagree with, because I pretty much agree with what you are saying.

There is no denying that everyone who tried to follow Hogan (Warrior, Bret, HBK, Savage to a smaller extent) were considered failures because they were guaranteed to be compared to Hulk Hogan, a bigger draw than anyone could have ever imagined a pro wrestler being.

Also, he did have a short stay, but that was more on him than it was the fans. Had he stayed around, he'd have stayed over. For the short period of time that he was around, he was extremely over and made WWF some decent money. Not a portion of his tenure, the entire time. But again, it really amounts to nothing in the long run because it was such a short stay on top.

I'm with the belief that Hulk Hogan made wrestling mainstream and there has (arguably) been no one more popular that him in the wrestling business. But at the point in time when Warrior was at his peak, no one had been as close to what WWF wanted as a replacement to Hogan as Warrior had and still, to this day, with the exception of Steve Austin and The Rock, no one has.

It all goes back to his short, short stint on top. It doesn't mean s*** in hindsight.

Also, now that I've given myself carpel tunnel in typing a response, I was initially only pointing out why the 84-92 WWF era was my favorite, not saying Warrior had some great impact on the business.