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Post by Harmonica on Jan 31, 2007 9:00:31 GMT -5
I’m just wondering whether there is politics in Japan like there is in America. Like Triple H holds people down type stuff(just an example, I don't really believe it).
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Jan 31, 2007 9:43:22 GMT -5
If a wrestler tried to pull a Trips or Hogan and play the creative control card Kobashi would chop the crap out of them and give them a Burning Hammer through a table.
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Post by Fundertaker on Jan 31, 2007 9:50:01 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why Misawa just jobbed 3/4 times since the creation of NOAH... Along with killing Naomichi Marafuji's reign so short it won't be remembered for anything.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jan 31, 2007 9:57:29 GMT -5
Yakuza wouldn't take it.
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Post by WHATAMANOOOVER on Jan 31, 2007 10:12:46 GMT -5
Of course there are politics in Japan. There are politics wherever there is pro wrestling.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jan 31, 2007 11:23:38 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why Misawa just jobbed 3/4 times since the creation of NOAH... Along with killing Naomichi Marafuji's reign so short it won't be remembered for anything. At least Misawa can still put on the occasional great match and can sell out arenas. Same with Kobashi. |
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Jan 31, 2007 11:56:38 GMT -5
Politics in Japan = The Ganzo Bomb.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 31, 2007 14:29:38 GMT -5
Although Japanese federations pay better than North American federations, Necro Butcher says he'd rather wrestle for North American indies since they aren't as political as Japanese promotions.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jan 31, 2007 14:58:56 GMT -5
I heard Antonio Inoki did stuff behind the scenes but I don't know if those were just rumors or not.
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Post by dirtydickraines on Jan 31, 2007 15:05:24 GMT -5
Politics knows no culture. Just because people see Japan as the shining light of pro wrestling, doesn't mean that it is clean.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 31, 2007 15:28:09 GMT -5
I heard Antonio Inoki did stuff behind the scenes but I don't know if those were just rumors or not. I don't know about a political role in wrestling, but I do know that Inoki became a bona fide politician in Japan's parliament. |
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 31, 2007 16:03:07 GMT -5
Is Misawa as close to the yakuza as Inoki?
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Post by Arturo Classico on Jan 31, 2007 16:23:36 GMT -5
Politics knows no culture. Just because people see Japan as the shining light of pro wrestling, doesn't mean that it is clean. I agree they're are politics everywhere so it's no suprise. Although I think the level of politics in NOAH and New Japan are far less then say WWE. I mean in WWE it's all politics and barely based on merit and hard work ie-Batista, Lashley, Cena(at first he has worked hard lately) Also now people are being stuck in the midcard due to political crap like with Punk and seeing them overlooked make them not care much such is the case with Benji and Carlito. So yes Japan has politics but nothing like here! |
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jan 31, 2007 16:49:16 GMT -5
Although Japanese federations pay better than North American federations, Necro Butcher says he'd rather wrestle for North American indies since they aren't as political as Japanese promotions. That's mostly because he's a foreigner. It'd be different if he was a native. Hmmm, a Japanese Necro Butcher.....oh yeah, they have Kanemura, never mind. |
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Post by STMP on Jan 31, 2007 17:24:34 GMT -5
I'm only into puro as a viewer and have heard some stories. But at times not the best wrestlers get pushed to the moon. A great example is Takeshi Rikio. For some reason Misawa saw something in him and gave him the heavyweight title. There have to be some politics involved in that.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 31, 2007 17:32:25 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why Misawa just jobbed 3/4 times since the creation of NOAH... Along with killing Naomichi Marafuji's reign so short it won't be remembered for anything. Misawa is NOAH's Vince McMahon, he puts himself over other talent, even though he's old and owns the company... Chono has the Yakuza take care of trouble makers in New Japan. and well All Japan everybody is just happy to be working. Politics happens mostly in MMA actually. |
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 31, 2007 17:36:07 GMT -5
Misawa's somewhat of a glaring example, but then again, he's also clearly the most over guy on the NOAH roster. (And Marufuji's reign will at least be remembered for Marufuji taking all of the titles in NOAH - he'll probably take the title back someday anyway). Simply put, Misawa getting the title back was either a sentimental move or a financial move - supposedly KENTA/Marufuji didn't draw as well as hoped, leading to the belt being given to the boss who happens to be popular.
There's a story or two about Antonio Inoki shooting on people who tick him off in the ring, I think. Haven't heard an actual story so much as a rumbling here and there.
And of course, Johnny Ace becoming a really big star by getting close to Giant Baba's wife...interesting example, because Baba was otherwise an excellent booker who truly put the company good above himself (as he made himself a midcarder while letting the younger generation take the main-events).
One could also say that the politics are simply of a different nature (like Foley getting de-pushed - if he was even pushed to begin with - because his style was compared to a rival promotion's).
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Post by STMP on Jan 31, 2007 18:11:10 GMT -5
Misawa's somewhat of a glaring example, but then again, he's also clearly the most over guy on the NOAH roster. (And Marufuji's reign will at least be remembered for Marufuji taking all of the titles in NOAH - he'll probably take the title back someday anyway). Simply put, Misawa getting the title back was either a sentimental move or a financial move - supposedly KENTA/Marufuji didn't draw as well as hoped, leading to the belt being given to the boss who happens to be popular. There's a story or two about Antonio Inoki shooting on people who tick him off in the ring, I think. Haven't heard an actual story so much as a rumbling here and there. And of course, Johnny Ace becoming a really big star by getting close to Giant Baba's wife...interesting example, because Baba was otherwise an excellent booker who truly put the company good above himself (as he made himself a midcarder while letting the younger generation take the main-events). One could also say that the politics are simply of a different nature (like Foley getting de-pushed - if he was even pushed to begin with - because his style was compared to a rival promotion's). There is a great video of Inoki shooting on the Great Antonio. The Great Antonio was completely no selling all of Inoki's offense. So Inoki got pissed off and hit The Great Antonio real hard. That pissed Antonio off, so he clobbered Inoki reaaal hard against the back of his neck. And the Great Antonio was a legit strong guy, he became sort of famous at carnivals for lifting heavy stuff. Inoki didn't like the hard shot and took him down. He then started kicking him in the face, real hard. And Inoki turned out to be a real sadistic bastard because he kept kicking him, eventually knocking him out (and still kicking him after he was ko'd) which was kind of scary to see. It looked like the Great Antonio was dead. But the ref stopped Inoki and the Great Antionio got up, real dizzy and his face was covered in blood. |
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Post by Harmonica on Jan 31, 2007 18:34:33 GMT -5
Thanks for info guys, I know their is politics in Japan but their is politics in everything. I just wanted a comparison between US politics.
The thing I feel about Misawa winning the title from Marufuji and beating Morishima on the first defense is that someone credible need to get the title back. I love the work from Marufuji and Morishima but I felt they were not ready for title yet. When I started watching puroresu mainly AJPW through dvds I started from the earliest year of AJPW I could find. I've seen Baba and Tsuruta battle likes of Harley Race, Jack Briscoe, The Shiek, The Destroyer etc. Then I see Mitsuharu Misawa as Tiger Mask II come up kind of from what I could get my hands on. Then I see Misawa vs. Jumbo Tsuruta 6/8/1990. One of the best matches of all time and after I felt Misawa was a credible title challenger not only for the triple crown but for all the world titles in the world. My point is I don't think they(NOAH offices) want Morishima title reign to be like Rikio and I like Rikio but I feel it didn't accomplish anything, Rikio went through Kobashi and Misawa and still does not belong in the main event. So I feel Misawa winning and holding on to the title was the right decision until someone native to NOAH like KENTA, Morishima, Marufuji, Shiosaki etc is ready.
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Post by samachine on Jan 31, 2007 18:36:59 GMT -5
Sasuke picks who he wants to win from his friends, and makes sure he almost always looks strong unless it's against his disciples or someone bigger fame-wise than him. I've heard some bad things about him in Michinoku Pro. People say Mutoh too, but honestly I think he only books himself so high because he's one of the very few draws AJPW has and he's working his withered body to try and get them the fans they have
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