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Post by Neodymium on Jan 13, 2007 11:13:37 GMT -5
The original ECW. Why is it considered by many to be the best ever? Obviously, excellent storylines and excellent wrestling.
Of course, ECW2K6/7 is nothing like that. It's WWE-style tripe, with heavy emphasis on bad wrestling, no-finishes, boring vapid divas, political pushes, hosses, and the like.
Many have claimed ECW as we knew it can "never exist again". I disagree. ONS 1 and 2 were, after all, amazing; only when Vinnie Mac poked his nose in ECW did it get bad.
A common misconception is that to be "ECW" you need to have wrestled for 1990's ECW. This isn't true.. after all, wrestlers like CM Punk and Kurt Angle were considered worthy of that designation because they had TALENT. So, no reason more talented wrestlers can't get the spotlight again. And at the same time, if Vince were to give the book to Heyman and Dreamer again, I surmise that the quality of story, angles, and events would also increase greatly.
So, seriously.. that should be. ECW *can* be amazing, Vince won't let it happen.
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Post by leemir on Jan 13, 2007 11:16:39 GMT -5
Vince won't let a lot of things reach their full potential, he likes to limit things & change people's styles. See my thread on the Juniors.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jan 13, 2007 11:38:30 GMT -5
Yeah, anything can happen. It's just not likely to happen.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 13, 2007 12:21:38 GMT -5
ECW can exist, just without the ECW name. All Heyman has to do is leave WWE...
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Post by ajdynon on Jan 13, 2007 14:21:43 GMT -5
ROH is the real new ECW. (in spirit, at least, if not style)
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Post by Bhester on Jan 13, 2007 14:24:33 GMT -5
ROH is the real new ECW. (in spirit, at least, if not style) If that's the case then the new version is always worse than the old one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2007 14:26:10 GMT -5
ONS 2 wasn't all that IMO
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2007 14:35:33 GMT -5
ROH is the real new ECW. (in spirit, at least, if not style) If that's the case then the new version is always worse than the old one.  And, no, ECW can't really come back. It's like pumping 10,000 volts into a body that's been dead for five years at this point, it ain't happening. Even if you succeeded in running some shows with original talent from ECW, you'd still never really be able to bring back the innovative spirit of the original, or blaze the same trails that it did in it's time. ECW had it's chance, but it sadly couldn't survive. Bringing it back at this point and expecting anything like the original spirit of ECW just doesn't seem realistic to me. |
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Post by Bhester on Jan 13, 2007 14:37:46 GMT -5
If that's the case then the new version is always worse than the old one. Jeez, it was just a joke. The comparison just doesn't make much sense to me. The only 2 things they have in common are a rabid fanbase and Gabe Sapolsky. Their product is hit or miss with me, but I still applaud the effort they put in. I'm just saying that I don't see a resemblance with ECW. |
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jan 13, 2007 15:35:39 GMT -5
As it's been stated before, it's ECW in name only. It just feels like a lukewarm version of Velocity to me. I haven't watched it since D2D but something tells me not much has changed.
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Post by The Wrestling Rambler on Jan 13, 2007 15:53:07 GMT -5
As it's been stated before, it's ECW in name only. It just feels like a lukewarm version of Velocity to me. I haven't watched it since D2D but something tells me not much has changed. Yeah it's changed.....it's got worse! |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2007 15:54:43 GMT -5
Jeez, it was just a joke. The comparison just doesn't make much sense to me. The only 2 things they have in common are a rabid fanbase and Gabe Sapolsky. Their product is hit or miss with me, but I still applaud the effort they put in. I'm just saying that I don't see a resemblance with ECW. Dude, I didn't slam you, just having a chuckle. Ease up there, it's cool. |
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jan 13, 2007 15:55:18 GMT -5
As it's been stated before, it's ECW in name only. It just feels like a lukewarm version of Velocity to me. I haven't watched it since D2D but something tells me not much has changed. Yeah it's changed.....it's got worse! I missed the Khali stuff so I'll take your word for it. |
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Jan 13, 2007 20:31:58 GMT -5
As it's been stated before, it's ECW in name only. It just feels like a lukewarm version of Velocity to me. I haven't watched it since D2D but something tells me not much has changed. Test and Sparky Plugg are getting pushed over more talented wrestlers. What more do you need to know? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2007 20:36:54 GMT -5
I'll never understand the fascination with pushing Test. Unless it's off of a cliff or some other Looney Toons nonsense.
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Post by KLRA on Jan 13, 2007 20:44:02 GMT -5
I'll never understand the fascination with pushing Test. Unless it's off of a cliff or some other Looney Toons nonsense. The IWC: Here, we'll shine this light across the gap between the cliffs, and walk over on that! Test: Do you think I'm stupid? You'll turn it off halfway! |
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Post by JMA on Jan 13, 2007 21:33:47 GMT -5
ECW could have easily existed again. The interest, ratings, and the fans were all there, all WWE needed to do was let Heyman run with the ball. There was certainly no determinism in the idea at all (i.e. it wasn't "destined" to succeed or fail). WWE will likely use that excuse when ECW goes away, but it's BS. Something succeeds or fails based on the choices that are made. Those that say different usually want to deny responsibility for their actions.
I think the whole idea behind the ECW project was to start a third brand that would be boosted by an established brand name: ECW. Thus, theoretically, the brand would grow much faster rather than having to be slowly built. Unfortunately, Vince underestimated how much the fans cared about ECW. They're not like WWE fans--if something sucks, they'll stop watching. And they know that if you take the "extreme" out of ECW then it loses its entire identity.
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Jan 13, 2007 23:08:16 GMT -5
I still think he's trying to bury ECW's legacy
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2007 23:30:14 GMT -5
I'll never understand the fascination with pushing Test. Unless it's off of a cliff or some other Looney Toons nonsense. Maybe he'll get over with a Wile E. Coyote gimmick. </is immediately given a full-time job as a WWE writer> |
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Post by JMA on Jan 13, 2007 23:49:08 GMT -5
I still think he's trying to bury ECW's legacy He's doing the same to WWF/E's legacy (whether intentional or not). |
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