BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wants him some Taco Flavored Kisses.
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Post by BRV on Jan 11, 2007 16:14:59 GMT -5
Is the Royal Rumble Anthology going to be released in boxes of five, just as the WrestleMania Anthology was?
And if so, is it going to be: Set One (88, 89, 90, 91, 92) Set Two (93, 94, 95, 96, 97) Set Three (98, 99, 00, 01, 02) Set Four (03, 04, 05, 06, 07)
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Post by skskillz on Jan 11, 2007 17:19:16 GMT -5
Same old song and dance. The WWE will edit half the damn thing, people will still fork over one week's paycheck for it, and then complain about the edits afterwards. And they got a right to. All the money that gets spent on that thing and Vince cant do a little extra to give us what it says were getting? Its a load of crap... That's just it. The buyers know the WWE will chop off half the authenticity of the product, yet they still fork over the $100 that Vince charges for it. The audience knows they are getting an unauthentic product, so why feel bad for the buyers? It's gotten to the point where I highly admire the WWE's marketing team. They don't give a shit about their audience, and give them completely altered and tampered material, but the fans not only pay full price for it but they also keep coming back for more whenever a new one is released. Either the WWE is smart or the fans are morons. Buy VHS tapes. Go to EBay, Amazon, a good tape trader, etc, and buy the authentic stuff. That's the only way you can relive your childhood memories (or watch an authentic show from before your time) without having to worry about history being rewritten. I saw MSG Classics over the summer where the MSG network would show classic WWF events that took place in MSG. They showed Hogan facing (I think) Don Muraco in 1985, and Hogan came out to Real American (it wasn't his theme back then). I shut off the TV immediately....and I was watching that for free. I can't imagine how DVD buyers feel.
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bigHEADinc
El Dandy
Wanted Conway Twitty as a special title.
lest we forget...
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Post by bigHEADinc on Jan 11, 2007 17:34:18 GMT -5
It was my understanding, that any dvd that is released, say for example Summerslam 89-Jesse has already been paid for that, but when they took the Dusty match from that event and put it on a newly created dvd-in this case, The American Dream - The Dusty Rhodes Story,the E would have to pay for Jesse's commentary, since it is a new dvd that wasn't made when Jesse was a WWF employee To summarize... Whole Event Commentated by Ventura = Left Alone Single Match put on a Collection DVD with Ventura Commentary = Changed It was a stipulation in his contract... So the anthology should be fine...
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 11, 2007 17:36:57 GMT -5
I think the Royal Rumble match is the only redeeming quality about the Royal Rumble Match
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MiLB Fan
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by MiLB Fan on Jan 11, 2007 17:41:52 GMT -5
Why is his commentary going to be edited out? Does Ventura have something against Double Double E? It goes back to a lawsuit Jesse filed against the company back in the early/mid-90s. While he was working for the WWF, they told him that only big-name stars like Hulk Hogan were receiving royalties from video releases. But Ventura, and later a judge, found this not to be true. He won over $800,000 in the case, and now if the company wants to use his commentary on new releases, they have to pay up. I think folks might be jumping to conclusions in this case. Yes, Vince can be a cheapskate who would rather squirrel money away than give us original broadcasts. But it's one thing to have Gorilla talking to himself in one match; it's quite another to hear it for three hours. Even Vince should realize what a huge mistake that would be. Finally, a funny Jesse commentary-related story: I was watching the Pillman/Liger SuperBrawl 2 match on the Pillman DVD, and from outta nowhere you can hear Jesse say, "Uh oh." Sounds like someone fell asleep at the switch!
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 11, 2007 18:30:46 GMT -5
I think the Royal Rumble match is the only redeeming quality about the Royal Rumble Match So the match is the only good thing about the match
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Post by Banned Member on Jan 11, 2007 18:37:00 GMT -5
I'll be getting this just cause I already have all the WM.
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Post by paulonorcatto on Jan 11, 2007 18:44:52 GMT -5
when did they start releasing them on dvd, if it was before the name change then nothing would be edited i guess.
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randomranter
Dennis Stamp
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Post by randomranter on Jan 11, 2007 18:56:55 GMT -5
Finally, a funny Jesse commentary-related story: I was watching the Pillman/Liger SuperBrawl 2 match on the Pillman DVD, and from outta nowhere you can hear Jesse say, "Uh oh." Sounds like someone fell asleep at the switch! At the end of one of last month's Monday Nitros on WWE 24/7, you can hear a random Jesse Ventura comment out of nowhere at the end of the broadcast.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 11, 2007 19:04:39 GMT -5
You forgot...it was obviously Triple H who convinced them not to use Jesse commentary, etc. Seriously...about the Dusty DVDs...forget SurSer '89...I was heartbroken when the Jesse-Embargo affected the WM6 match. No more "They weigh **450** pounds?!!?" jokes. But before you accuse just WWE of doing this...this is a BIG problem in the DVD industry as a whole. You mentioned the blurring, muting "WWF's," and the Jesse-Embargo, but forgot one important thing...MUSIC CLEARANCE ISSUES. I will never buy the anthologies because, aside from not being interested in collecting PPVs by the mid-'90s, and besides the above changes, the mainstream music and actually, select in-house themes are gone. But like I said, before you go on your OMG WWE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST rants (not that I don't believe that ;-)), ALMOST EVERYBODY DOES THIS. THIS HAS BEEN DONE EVEN BACK IN THE DAYS OF VHS. Back in the Coliseum days, they used to replace "Eye Of The Tiger" and similar with this horrible muzak theme. And Turner Home Entertainment's releases of NWA events totally hacked up their ring entrances too with generic music...why aren't you saying OMG CROCKETT WAS EVIL AND REVISING HISTORY DAMN YOU TED TURNER ETC. ETC. ETC.? Oh, cause you're not referring to the EVIL WWF/E (again, not saying I don't ever have moments when I think they are ;-)). EDIT: I won't watch ECW DVDs for the same reason...it's not the same without the mainstream music. Moving right along... But it doesn't stop with wrestling. Oh no. Tons of stuff has been altered upon being released on DVD (and/or VHS), by entertainment companies much larger than even WWE. On Married...With Children, they apparently can't use "Love and Marriage" as the theme song. The BBC show Absolutely Fabulous had to compromise its usage of the song "Wheel's On Fire" in its opening, and had to edit out scenes and lines because they quoted/used songs or lyrics from songs. The Muppet Show and Sesame Street sets had many skits edited out. The Wonder Years may never see a DVD release because of all the music clearance that needs to be done. Miraculously, WKRP will be...but surprise, surprise, it is slated to use generic music!!! WWE bashing is warranted often, and fun to some (not to me anymore, it's just frustrating and making me feel bad about liking wrestling), but you have to look at the big picture. This is a serious problem not to just wrestling releases, but ALL kinds. And really, can WWE help most of the things that are done on the DVDs? Jesse and the music I can understand (matter of money...but music clearance is a b*tch moreso these days, like I said), but how deep does the matter of the "WWF" initials go? Would they merely have to pay the Pandas to use them? Or does the lawsuit have some gag on them against using the initials that they can't pay their way out of? Come on, now, let's not ruin the one thing I find commendable about today's WWE. Yes, I'd prefer the footage in its pure form...fortunately I have my own tapes and friends to trade with for that if I really wanted to. But censoring aside, if they didn't care about the audience, would they even TRY to make outlets for us to have the classic matches? Wouldn't they let their acquisitions rot in the vaults? If you have trouble admitting that many of the things they put together are damn good, it goes beyond normal WWE hate IMO. EDIT: If you really feel strongly about music clearance, join this group of mine: groups.yahoo.com/group/stopthemonster
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 11, 2007 19:23:30 GMT -5
Wow...I mean, the DVDs with Jesse are much, much MUCH better (he's on the Hogan Anthology too...don't know if anyone mentioned that gem), but some of you sound like you're ready to take up arms over this issue.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 11, 2007 19:35:03 GMT -5
Dothebird...yes it is a frustrating matter, but it seems like people jumped all over this in a "Bash WWE for the sake of bashing WWE" moment. Like I said I don't know the whole story, but who's to say that there aren't elements that they can't help themselves? If they aren't being gagged by the Panda lawsuit against using the scratch logo and the "WWF" initials, I might understand, for example. And does anyone really know how much money the rights to mainstream music go for these days? It must be bad since there are many altered reruns/DVDs now.
Again, music clearance, censorship, etc. does bother me, but to say WWE is just doing this to revise history, piss of the fans, etc. is really blind in their hatred. I dislike the practices, but dislike them IN GENERAL. In that, TONS of companies are doing it. That is why I formed the "Stop the Monster" group.
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Scott
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Scott on Jan 12, 2007 5:55:48 GMT -5
Music isn't much of an issue with this set. They didn't use music in the first few Rumbles and the majority of the edits they would need to make would be in those first few.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 12, 2007 18:15:40 GMT -5
Music isn't much of an issue with this set. They didn't use music in the first few Rumbles and the majority of the edits they would need to make would be in those first few. True. But even when you get to the in-house music era, like I said, there's some that are apparently deleted (I want to say most of the Piledriver album tracks, for instance). I wish it didn't have to be done, but I can understand why. And I do have my old tapes anyway. Music Clearance Monster-eaten footage I can take in small dosages, which is why I like the WWE comps more than the events. BTW, FYI...from what I understand, there's no Embargoing Jesse on 24/7 apparently. But music clearance is still in effect. Another thing I didn't say...about WWE being cheap...well it takes someone else being too expensive for someone to be cheap sometimes. And the way the MCM has taken over in the media, I don't doubt it; as such, where were the comments about the evil, money-grubbing ASCAP, artists, composers, etc. etc.? Oh yeah....let's say it together...THEY'RE NOT THE WWE.
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Post by darthpipes on Jan 12, 2007 21:21:56 GMT -5
First off...has it been confirmed that Jesse commentary has been edited out of the first three Royal Rumbles? Because if it hasn't been, then this is all just speculation.
I would think the commentary would stay. I mean, are they really going to cut him out of three three-hour events? Not to mention he was involved in the Dino Bravo segment at the first Rumble and the Warrior/Rude segment in the second one.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 12, 2007 21:32:28 GMT -5
First off...has it been confirmed that Jesse commentary has been edited out of the first three Royal Rumbles? Because if it hasn't been, then this is all just speculation. I would think the commentary would stay. I mean, are they really going to cut him out of three three-hour events? Not to mention he was involved in the Dino Bravo segment at the first Rumble and the Warrior/Rude segment in the second one. They've digitally replaced him with the Gobbeldy-Gooker. Seriously, I remember it was a huge sigh of relief when it was announced he'd be on the Wrestlemania Anthology. With very little fanfare, his commentary also appeared on the Hogan and Piper DVDs. I think it's fair to assume that if it's a big DVD collection/anthology, Jesse will be on it.
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