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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 10, 2007 4:31:37 GMT -5
Tito Ortiz just announced that Pete Sampras couldn't cope in a UFC match, so therefore Pete Sampras was never an athlete either.
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M. Dirrty
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Post by M. Dirrty on Jan 10, 2007 4:51:39 GMT -5
Tito was dumb for saying that...
however... Trips cardio isnt any where NEAR the caliber of a grade A MMA fighter...
I've studied Brazilain Jiu Jitsu for close to 8 years... and been in MIXED integration(wrestling, kickboxing) for close to 3.
and you train your whole body.... to last those 15- 25 mins. as if it was working NON STOP...
dont get me wrong... Trips has to have good cardio for the matches he puts on... however... his "spurts" are in moderation... with quite a bit of down time such as catching breath while lying on the mat and rest hold... as with MMA... or as if most peaople who have wrestled at 100% w/ someone, how quickly gassed you get.
so bottom line... an MMA fighter or boxer is better conditioned than a WWE performer... simply because of what each sport demands... however it shouldnt mean Trips is a lesser athlete.
guys like Tito make the sport ALOT of money... however... he can make fighters seem like knuckleheads...
thus having e-chumps bad mouthing fighters over a messege board or "making them laugh"
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Post by Verfall on Jan 10, 2007 5:03:20 GMT -5
So he could trow some punches. And? In MMA, punchs and muscles can´t get you anywhere...At least not agains´t Tito. Or Ken Shamrock, or...Er...Every single "main eventer". Since the matches almost always go to the floor, and when it hits the mat, if Trips doesn´t have a grasp in Jiu Jitsu, he would be easily out-techinqued. Watched UFC 66. Out of all the matches only one of them ended with an actual "floor" technique, when the Canuck made Lebens face match his stupid hairstyle. The rest were just "guy goes down, other guy repeatedly punches him in the head till ref calls it off". Poor Tito got massacred, but after watching the pre-game, his butchering of the english language in interviews made me wanna slap him upside the head with a 2x4 just to see if he'd develop a vocabulary. On a different note, I wanna see Andrei Arlovski train for pro wrestling. The guy's got a hell of alot of character and would make a great match for Benoit. Crippler versus Pitbull....BOOK IT!
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 10, 2007 7:54:16 GMT -5
The reverse could likely be said of many top stars in mixed martial arts. They may not be able to get over and be successful in pro wrestling/sports enterainment. MMA is a legitimate competition where one's abilities determine how far he will go. In wrestling, you have to perform and entertain. You need charisma, personality, the ability to catch on with the crowd, the ability to act and to "sell," and the ability to work with other wrestlers to put on a match, which in many ways is more like a performance than a legitimate fight. I'm not saying that pro wrestling is harder to be a success in; I'm just saying that Tito Ortiz may have never been able to succeed in wrestling like Triple H has. If Tito had put all of his efforts into being a professional wrestler instead of fighting legitimately, he very likely could have excelled, but it is also likely that he would not have made it. You're right. Ask Ken shamrock about this situation. He basically said that WWE is Harder than UFC. WWE and UFC are both ELITE organisations of what they do. It's not like comparing cage fighting to pro wrestling, WWE is ELITE pro westling, UFC is ELITE MMA. To make it to either, you have to give your life to it. Of course your chances of going from one elite form to another are slim. But Pro wrestlers in the WWE are wrestling 200 times per year. UFC mabe 10. In the UFC, if you're good, you might luck out and get an early KO with no damage. In WWE, You're guarenteed to take a beating, because it's scripted for you to do so. I guarentee you that Kurt Angle would have never, ever suffered the kinds of problems he's going through now if he jumped to UFC after the Olympics.
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Post by Silver Potato on Jan 10, 2007 8:09:39 GMT -5
Tito would own Triple H, those of you defending H are pro wrestling fanboys. At all aspects of the game Tito wins. HHH is a tough guy and has my respect but he doesn’t have the skills/knowledge/conditioning necessary to hang in a legit fight with athletes that high up the MMA ranks. Stand upTito has good striking punches and kicks better stance and footwork.. You’d say HHH has a punchers chance but I doubt he’d be even able to land one on Tito. Also you can have considerable muscle mass and not be that strong. That’s why Tito said it’s just for show. Takedowns.Tito is a legit wrestler he would easily take down the game. I doubt HHH has good take down defense. If he attempted a take down on Tito he’d fail. His balance and flexibility eont seem to be that great. Cardio Tito has the best cardio in the game, he would outlast HHH or anyone in MMA. Triple H carries too much weight his cardiovascular conditioning won’t be good enough to last into later rounds. Ground game.Tito has those sick elbows/ground and pound but he knows submission offence and defense too. HHH knows non legit wrestling holds. Also considering I heard somewhere Tito said he could beat lennox lewis in a round, In comparison he didn’t seem to disrespect HHH as much. Daniel Puder called out HHH once in an interview and I’d fully expect HHH to be the underdog in that fight, let alone an athlete the caliber of Tito. HHH might hold Tito to being more famous or the better entertainer but thenTito is also one of the most marketable MMA fighters out there and has mainstream recognition coaching on the ultimate fighter. Also Tito is dating Jenna Jameson and she’s hotter than Steff just thought I’d throw that out there… Agree on all points except, Steph (pre-preggers) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jenna Jameson.
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Post by leemir on Jan 10, 2007 8:23:33 GMT -5
Tito couldn't draw like HHH in wrestling.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jan 10, 2007 8:27:51 GMT -5
Tito would own Triple H, those of you defending H are pro wrestling fanboys. At all aspects of the game Tito wins. HHH is a tough guy and has my respect but he doesn’t have the skills/knowledge/conditioning necessary to hang in a legit fight with athletes that high up the MMA ranks. Stand upTito has good striking punches and kicks better stance and footwork.. You’d say HHH has a punchers chance but I doubt he’d be even able to land one on Tito. Also you can have considerable muscle mass and not be that strong. That’s why Tito said it’s just for show. Takedowns.Tito is a legit wrestler he would easily take down the game. I doubt HHH has good take down defense. If he attempted a take down on Tito he’d fail. His balance and flexibility eont seem to be that great. Cardio Tito has the best cardio in the game, he would outlast HHH or anyone in MMA. Triple H carries too much weight his cardiovascular conditioning won’t be good enough to last into later rounds. Ground game.Tito has those sick elbows/ground and pound but he knows submission offence and defense too. HHH knows non legit wrestling holds. Also considering I heard somewhere Tito said he could beat lennox lewis in a round, In comparison he didn’t seem to disrespect HHH as much. Daniel Puder called out HHH once in an interview and I’d fully expect HHH to be the underdog in that fight, let alone an athlete the caliber of Tito. HHH might hold Tito to being more famous or the better entertainer but thenTito is also one of the most marketable MMA fighters out there and has mainstream recognition coaching on the ultimate fighter. Also Tito is dating Jenna Jameson and she’s hotter than Steff just thought I’d throw that out there… Agree on all points except, Steph (pre-preggers) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jenna Jameson. You never know in a real fight. You just never know. Remember Bart Gunn Knocking out Dr. Death Steve Williams? Bart Gunn. Bart Gunn.
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Jan 10, 2007 8:37:53 GMT -5
Are we talking old UFC or new UFC rules?
Cause the UFC sucks really bad now. Back in the day, when there were no weight classes, no real rules, and no rounds, when the little guys fought the big guys, HHH might have actually had a chance.
Eversince the UFC incorporated cross training, and weight classes, it's sucked! I long for the days of Royce Gracie, Dan Severen, Tank Abbot, Ken Shamrock, REAL MMA fighters, who beat the f*** out of people twice as big. To be honest, Tito and most of the current UFC guys wouldn;t last long in old school UFC!
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Post by Psy on Jan 10, 2007 8:41:22 GMT -5
Are we talking old UFC or new UFC rules? Cause the UFC sucks really bad now. Back in the day, when there were no weight classes, no real rules, and no rounds, when the little guys fought the big guys, HHH might have actually had a chance. Eversince the UFC incorporated cross training, and weight classes, it's sucked! I long for the days of Royce Gracie, Dan Severen, Tank Abbot, Ken Shamrock, REAL MMA fighters, who beat the wax out of people twice as big. To be honest, Tito and most of the current UFC guys wouldn;t last long in old school UFC! New UFC is leaps and bounds above the old UFC where half the competitors had no real experience in MMA and it was half tough-man contest and was just a couple guys beating the crap out of eachother. That's the reason guys like Royce Gracie could win. Tito is still full of crap though, Triple H is an athlete. He wouldn't last long in the octagon, but he's an athlete nonetheless.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 10, 2007 10:20:05 GMT -5
Tito Ortiz just announced that Pete Sampras couldn't cope in a UFC match, so therefore Pete Sampras was never an athlete either. You're taking that line the wrong way. Not to say Ortiz is right, but, in his mind, a guy who builds up his body for show is "not an athlete"; while he's right on that count, where he could be wrong is in pointing that critique at Hunter, who has shown athleticism throughout his career. For example, a lot of people don't believe Tiger Woods is actually an athlete; they believe he is a technician, as his sport has nowhere near the physical demands of most others, but very strong mental demands. Again though, I'll point out: apples and oranges.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 10, 2007 10:37:42 GMT -5
It's very "apples and oranges" because it's two different worlds. There's always tons of postulating on whether Wrestler X would do well in MMA or if MMA-Guy Z could make it in pro-wrestling. It's almost like wondering if a quarterback would make a good hockey goalie.
I notice Ortiz isn't breaking, f'rinstance, Kurt Angle's balls over this, too. Because TNA is on Spike with UFC.
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Post by hotrod on Jan 10, 2007 11:31:32 GMT -5
okay, i absolutely despise tito, i loved him getting his ass beat against chucky liddel, but i believe it is an issue of training, remember shamrock was a worker before he got into pancrase and ufc.
also, the old and new ufc both have their own distinct charms, the old ufc showcased more of a conflict of styles, nobody was well rounded, thats when we see royce gracie and brazilian jiu-jitsu dominate the first couple ufc's. and also lets not forget that when Dan Severn won ufc 5 he was at the time the current NWA heavy weight champion. The new ufc is a much more refined sport, everyone is well rounded, and guys who are not well rounded usually get beat, but not always, thats what is so great about it.
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Jan 10, 2007 11:38:06 GMT -5
Are we talking old UFC or new UFC rules? Cause the UFC sucks really bad now. Back in the day, when there were no weight classes, no real rules, and no rounds, when the little guys fought the big guys, HHH might have actually had a chance. Eversince the UFC incorporated cross training, and weight classes, it's sucked! I long for the days of Royce Gracie, Dan Severen, Tank Abbot, Ken Shamrock, REAL MMA fighters, who beat the wax out of people twice as big. To be honest, Tito and most of the current UFC guys wouldn;t last long in old school UFC! New UFC is leaps and bounds above the old UFC where half the competitors had no real experience in MMA and it was half tough-man contest and was just a couple guys beating the crap out of eachother. That's the reason guys like Royce Gracie could win. Tito is still full of crap though, Triple H is an athlete. He wouldn't last long in the octagon, but he's an athlete nonetheless. so u find the UFC exciting? Its just guys hugging on the ground now. Go out and rent/buy the first ten and than rent/buy the latest ten. The first ten are better by leaps and bounds!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 10, 2007 11:42:48 GMT -5
New UFC is leaps and bounds above the old UFC where half the competitors had no real experience in MMA and it was half tough-man contest and was just a couple guys beating the crap out of eachother. That's the reason guys like Royce Gracie could win. Tito is still full of crap though, Triple H is an athlete. He wouldn't last long in the octagon, but he's an athlete nonetheless. so u find the UFC exciting? Its just guys hugging on the ground now. And Wrestling isn't?
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 10, 2007 11:51:37 GMT -5
To get back to the "just builds up muscle to look good" comment, we also can't forget the long-term conditioning aspect of the two jobs. If you're a MMA fighter, you CANNOT afford to let up on your physical conditioning, and you likely won't last into your mid 30's. Wrestling's a bit more forgiving of that.
Again, this isn't putting one above the other, it's just pointing out that there are different areas where one is harder to compete for than the other, and different reasons that various talents in each couldn't compete in the other.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Jan 10, 2007 14:21:56 GMT -5
The reverse could likely be said of many top stars in mixed martial arts. They may not be able to get over and be successful in pro wrestling/sports enterainment. MMA is a legitimate competition where one's abilities determine how far he will go. In wrestling, you have to perform and entertain. You need charisma, personality, the ability to catch on with the crowd, the ability to act and to "sell," and the ability to work with other wrestlers to put on a match, which in many ways is more like a performance than a legitimate fight. I'm not saying that pro wrestling is harder to be a success in; I'm just saying that Tito Ortiz may have never been able to succeed in wrestling like Triple H has. If Tito had put all of his efforts into being a professional wrestler instead of fighting legitimately, he very likely could have excelled, but it is also likely that he would not have made it. qft HHH´s charisma/show talent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ortiz charisma/show talent oh and f*** Tito Ortiz btw
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Post by Jake Robert's Dealer!!! on Jan 10, 2007 14:24:00 GMT -5
Tito likes TNA though so its all good.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 10, 2007 14:26:00 GMT -5
Trips: banged Chyna who may be a man. Ok, forget 'may be'.
Ortiz: bangs Jenna Jameson and therefore has numerous forms of herpes
It's a toss-up, really.
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Post by Dolph Zalgo on Jan 10, 2007 14:40:47 GMT -5
Trips: banged Chyna who may be a man. Ok, forget 'may be'. Ortiz: bangs Jenna Jameson and therefore has numerous forms of herpes It's a toss-up, really. Trips held Chyna's "Jimmy Wang Yang" down and Ortiz' "Jimmy Wang Yang" is trained to beat the living crap out of the viruses that Marilyn Manson has left inside Jenna's... Geezus, I'm feeling sick.
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Post by krazysane on Jan 10, 2007 14:43:42 GMT -5
....sick
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