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Post by joeman on Jan 10, 2007 12:25:55 GMT -5
I am curious about this because I seen people on another site refer to him as the "first hoss" He was big, thanks to his steroids, but did he had all the classifications of being a hoss(minus the Rossgasms by a certain commentator). If not, then what separated him from being a hoss?
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Post by kinkymagic on Jan 10, 2007 12:34:09 GMT -5
Hogan wasn't a hoss. Hogan was the hoss.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 10, 2007 12:34:26 GMT -5
He fits the definition of a large man who can't work.
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Post by hollywood on Jan 10, 2007 12:36:19 GMT -5
The tricky thing about "hoss" is it's a self-defining word. What one person considers a "hoss," someone else might not think is a "hoss" at all.
Personally, I'm in the middle on this. He was definitely a big guy who could only do a limited number of things in the ring. He never did any top rope moves (that I recall, anyway), he never was a great mat grappler, and he mostly relied on power moves like body slams, suplexes, and such.
On the other hand, he was a lot more agile than guys like Andre, Big Show, or Batista. I actually saw Hulk do an enziguri in a match in Japan, believe it or not, and it was a pretty solid kick. I can't really picture those others doing that.
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Post by Butchie on Jan 10, 2007 12:36:38 GMT -5
Hogan was lucky enough to come up in a time where people were less critical of hosses.
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Post by MGH on Jan 10, 2007 12:37:35 GMT -5
I don't know what I classify Hogan as besides unentertaining to me personally. Part of why I can't stand John Cena is that he's booked as Hogan 2007.
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Post by kwydjebo on Jan 10, 2007 12:46:00 GMT -5
Hoss-ness aside, Hogan admittedly rarely ever did show much in ring skil. I recall Wrestlemania 5 he did a drop toe hold on Randy Savage and I was Stunned to the point of speechlessness (ANd I was a dumb 14 year old mark at the time) at the sight of Hulk performing such a move.
However he had great charisma, and was a great in-ring storyteller. He got fans into his corner and a Hogan match was truly a sight to behold when you're a 12 year old mark and Hogan is facing some dastardly, villainly ne'er do well. That is why Vince let this guy lead the company to international success.
So I guess, in terms of success, Hogan was the Greatest Hoss ever.
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Post by hardswallowjockass on Jan 10, 2007 13:28:13 GMT -5
When your a kid, you get used to having vegetables shoved down your throat. Hulk Hogan is wrestling's answer to Broccoli.
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Post by BHB on Jan 10, 2007 13:36:17 GMT -5
I don't really think he was because he had CHARISMA.
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Post by RedSmile on Jan 10, 2007 13:38:16 GMT -5
The tricky thing about "hoss" is it's a self-defining word. What one person considers a "hoss," someone else might not think is a "hoss" at all. Personally, I'm in the middle on this. He was definitely a big guy who could only do a limited number of things in the ring. He never did any top rope moves (that I recall, anyway), he never was a great mat grappler, and he mostly relied on power moves like body slams, suplexes, and such. On the other hand, he was a lot more agile than guys like Andre, Big Show, or Batista. I actually saw Hulk do an enziguri in a match in Japan, believe it or not, and it was a pretty solid kick. I can't really picture those others doing that. Actually Big Show was pretty agile in his WCW days. I recall him doing a kip-up or two, and Andre, in his better years was able to throw dropkicks And Hogan didnt need to be a mat guru. All he had to do was what all Hogan did.
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Post by dirtydickraines on Jan 10, 2007 13:39:27 GMT -5
Hogan was better in the ring than people think. In the US he was primarily a brawler, but from what I have sen of him from Japan, he wrestler a different style. He wasn't anywhere near Chris Benoit or Kurt Angle standards but he was a little more than decent. In the US Hogan did the bare minimum he had to to get over.
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Post by Big BosskMan on Jan 10, 2007 14:02:53 GMT -5
And Hogan didnt need to be a mat guru. All he had to do was what all Hogan did. What - no sell?? I kid. Seriously, I liked Hogan when I was younger because he was the larger-than-life character who always took care of the bad guys. Granted, even as a little mark, I KNEW he would get betrayed by his partners - Orndorff, Savage, Justice/Vicious,Andre, etc. By today's standards he might be considered a hoss (limited moveset and his size). He was definitely one of the early prototypes for that style of performer.
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Jan 10, 2007 14:12:20 GMT -5
^^^ True Hogan is the IDEAL hoss... in that he was big, muscular... had charisma and could talk...
Now if every hoss was like that it'd be okay.
Sadly most either.... rise to the top and fail.... rise to the top and leave or just plain suck!
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jan 10, 2007 14:59:56 GMT -5
When did "Charisma" get confused with "the ability to hammer out a long string of illegible words and get red in the face"?
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 10, 2007 15:08:31 GMT -5
He fits the definition of a large man who can't work. But he could work. A hoss that's just a big man without really any ability would be like an Uncle Elmer. THe big muscle men back then like Hercules, Jimmy Snuka, Ultimate Warrior, Paul Orndorf, Hulkster, and Don Muraco could work some great fantastic matches.
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Post by Legion on Jan 10, 2007 15:09:55 GMT -5
When Hogan was over back in the late 80's early 90's. It's very easy to criticise now and forget how big Hogan really was.
The guy, as far as im concerned was not a hoss because, although big and generally didn't wrestle that well, he was great as an entertainer in the period when wrestling was changing from just a sport to something more of a soap opera (whether you like it or not it happened and Hogan was damn good at what he did).
For me a hoss needs to be both big AND a complete waste of space in the ring and on the mic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2007 15:10:44 GMT -5
I think he was. He had a very limited moveset, large size, mediocre workrate....
So yes, I'm pretty sure of it.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 10, 2007 15:11:01 GMT -5
Almost every hoss has gotten over through the years.
Reguardless of a push...
Hell even Heidenreich was over.
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Post by Cyberwoo on Jan 10, 2007 15:14:25 GMT -5
The Douche? Not only is he a Hoss, he is king of the friggin' Hosses.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Jan 10, 2007 15:55:33 GMT -5
The Douche? Not only is he a Hoss, he is king of the friggin' Hosses. I'll be honest dude, I've never known anyone over the age of 7 to use the expression "douche". Hoss is such a subjective term. Hogan was a brawler. It wouldn't have suited him and would have probably harmed the character if he became a mat-wreslter. People didn't want to see Hogan wrestling someone, they wanted to see Hogan beat someone up. So really, it's not like he's like Masters or anyone else in the fact that being a hoss is ALL they can do whether the crowd likes it or not, Hogan wrestled that way because it was what the fans wanted. So hoss? No. He just performed in a style which WWF fans wanted.
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