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Post by Jew4Bacon on Jan 9, 2007 17:07:15 GMT -5
Needs to join the Vince Mcmahons Kiss my Ass Club, he is Due
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Post by MGH on Jan 9, 2007 17:08:45 GMT -5
Well it would be the most entertaining thing he's done since his return.
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Post by The Varsity Club on Jan 9, 2007 17:12:10 GMT -5
The fact that he is still around speaks volumes for the wwe product today
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 9, 2007 17:14:57 GMT -5
The fact that he is still around speaks volumes for the wwe product today I fail to see the issue. He wrestles meaningless matches on Heat and an occasional tag match on Raw. He isnt main eventing, and he is still very over with the fans.
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It is what it is
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 9, 2007 17:17:40 GMT -5
Seriously, why is he and Super Crazy teaming?!
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Post by Jew4Bacon on Jan 9, 2007 17:44:38 GMT -5
He will get a tad above midecard by Kissing or Refusing to Kiss his Ass, Vince can bring up the Cancer and all of his past, it could help him win some matches
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Post by Choose Slack on Jan 9, 2007 17:46:45 GMT -5
He needs to just go away.
Why did they bring him back!?!
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Post by The Boss on Jan 9, 2007 17:52:26 GMT -5
Why did they bring him back!?! Because, sad to say, today's young stars are so bad that the stars who are 50+ are actually more over with the fans. That's not a shot at the older stars. I've always said that age should not be a factor as long as you can still go. But it is a sorry fact that the younger guys suck so much that they are unable to win over fans.
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Post by The Boss on Jan 9, 2007 17:56:20 GMT -5
He will get a tad above midecard by Kissing or Refusing to Kiss his Ass, Vince can bring up the Cancer and all of his past, it could help him win some matches Just imagion the fans reaction if Duggan was told to kiss McMahon's ass or be fired. When McMahon drops his pants and bends over, Duggan would just take one look at his 2X4 and the crowd will just go crazy for Duggan to shove it up McMahon's a$$. It would brobably get a better reaction than anything else the WWF is putting out.
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Wade Wilson
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Lord Xeen's going to kill you.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 9, 2007 17:57:19 GMT -5
The fact that he is still around speaks volumes for the wwe product today Yes. It does. A 50-ish star from the 80's is more over (And rightfully so, IMO) than a legion of tattooed, roided up pretty boys. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by MGH on Jan 9, 2007 17:57:35 GMT -5
The young guys sucking isn't the problem, they have some incredibly talented people. They're booked in such a way that people have no reason to care. 50/50 booking is one of WWE's biggest issues.
Carlito wins a big match! .... oh...then he lost the next night. Ntrio beat Hardy! .... oh and lost the next week.
Orton got over in 04 because he won almost every damn time out there. He's in the 50/50 hole like a ton of others, and people hardly cared about him until Rated RKO.
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I miss the old days
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Post by Garee on Jan 9, 2007 17:58:25 GMT -5
I can't believe he's still hanging on, what is he still doing there anyway?
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Lord Xeen's going to kill you.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 9, 2007 17:59:22 GMT -5
The young guys sucking isn't the problem, they have some incredibly talented people. They're booked in such a way that people have no reason to care. 50/50 booking is one of WWE's biggest issues. Carlito wins a big match! .... oh...then he lost the next night. Ntrio beat Hardy! .... oh and lost the next week. Orton got over in 04 because he won almost every damn time out there. He's in the 50/50 hole like a ton of others, and people hardly cared about him until Rated RKO. Well, Carlito sucks, and Nitro is death on the mic.
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Post by MGH on Jan 9, 2007 18:00:27 GMT -5
Nitro is death on the mic. And so are two of their world champions.
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Post by brutuscheesecake on Jan 9, 2007 18:08:24 GMT -5
He's mildly over depending on where he wrestles on what kind of crowd it is. A NY/NJ/Penn, generally northeast crowd who are more old school will give him a huge nostalgia pop, but a retarded Cena type crowd will not recognize him that much.
He's still a serviceable wrestler, and a heck of a lot better than the "blue chip" crew cut nobody they would have in his place.
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Post by The Boss on Jan 9, 2007 18:15:42 GMT -5
Nitro is death on the mic. And so are two of their world champions. And guess what? They suck. You can't blaim all on the booking. The new guys are not connecting with the fans. I don't even think they try. They just think that they deserve to be on top because they're younger.
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Post by MGH on Jan 9, 2007 18:23:29 GMT -5
And so are two of their world champions. And guess what? They suck. You can't blaim all on the booking. The new guys are not connecting with the fans. I don't even think they try. They just think that they deserve to be on top because they're younger. Of course you can blame it on the booking. Give me one good reason to care about Batista or Lashley. Give me a good reason why people should cheer for them. And yet Lashley is over, and Batista gets the biggest pops on Smackdown. Their characters suck and Batista is one of the worst guys in the ring on that Smackdown brand. Yet they are both pretty damn over. They're booked strong. They're booked to win. They don't win one week and lose the other and continue that same pattern for months and years. I'll use it again, Orton was over as hell in 04. He won, and kept winning, and kept getting the better of people. After that where did he go? He became pointless until Rated RKO came around. Remember when people cared about Shelton Benjamin? No he wasn't getting Hogan sized pops, but he was over with the crowds during his sizable IC title reign. Now he isn't even used weekly and when he is he usually loses. People don't care about the guy anymore. The Spirit Squad is another good example. Right before DX reunited and they continuously beat down Shawn Michaels in those 4-5 on 1 situations, they were seen as a real heel group. They had taken a gimmick that everyone thought was a bomb, and turned it around. Then they lost to DX. And lost again, and again, and again, 5 on 2 OOPS, lost again. You want to talk about conway pops .... people couldn't have cared less about them. Look at CM Punk now. No one knew about him except for the smarky types that watched the indies and watched OVW. Outside of lashley and VanDam, he's the most over guy on that ECW brand. And what's the constant again? He doesn't lose. And yes, you do have to have a good character. I get that. Conway was winning every week on Raw when he re-debuted and no one cared. But I'll still contend that if he were booked better than he was, he could have gotten over. A bad character can be overcome by good booking. It won't always work, but it will enough to make new stars. Your character is only as good as the booking behind it is.
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 9, 2007 18:35:56 GMT -5
The have brought in veterans to help the newer wrestlers with promos, getting better in the ring, life on the road, etc. Having experienced guys mixed in with the young guys will help them out a lot.
That's why people like Duggan, Finlay, Brad Armstong, Dave Taylor, Flash Funk, etc. are on the current roster. None of them are headlining any shows or taking huge chunks of time from younger talent. They are just there to be locker room leaders.
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Post by Yann on Jan 9, 2007 18:50:20 GMT -5
Actually, I hope he's gonna be wished the best in his future endeaviors soon. It's sad, but I don't find him entertaining at all. He even annoys me. Damn, I think I hate Duggan :S.
Pros: HOOOOOOOOOOOO
Cons: HOOOOOOOOOOOO is the only entertaining thing he does during his matches He sucks He jobs His attire looks like 1970's Adidas jogging pants He's not in a really good shape...
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jan 9, 2007 19:09:18 GMT -5
I kind of like Duggan. He's experienced, and I see a lot of comedy potential in his team with Super Crazy, who desperately needs a push somethime soon.
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