Wasn't WM20 supposed to begin a new era?

[MoleMan]

I mean look at the card. Eddie and Benoit stood side by side as champions. It was like a new age was starting. An era where wrestling was held highest over size and gimmick, but what happened? I mean, the years that folloed grew worse and worse. This may very well be the worst the WWE has ever been entertainment wise. I only watch maybe an hour at week at most, but when I catch a whole show I'm disgusted.

So what happened? Why wasn't a new era started? Why'd it end in a flash?

Personally I partially blame JR stepping down from head of talent, and Johnny Ace taking control.

[Byakugan]

You think Vince will allow something good to happen to smarks?

What are you smoking?

[REDUNBECK~!]

Actually, the tagline of WM20 was "It all begins again". What you don't know is that there's supposed to be an "Sh" at the beginning, but the guy who printed the posters screwed up.

[KLRA]

What happened?

Vince had a panic attack when results didn't come instantly.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

What happened, lets see.....

Brock went insane and quit
Eddie died
Johnny Ace rose to power
TNA has yet to become a threat
Jericho left

[KLRA]

I think you can make an argument for Jericho leaving about how the company rarely ever gave a rat's ass about him.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

stevedave said:

I think you can make an argument for Jericho leaving about how the company rarely ever gave a rat's ass about him.

I fail to see how beating Austin and Rock in the same night to become "the first undisputed champion", and constantly being towards the top of the card (Be it in a few crappy feuds) is "not giving a rat's ass". I love Jericho as much as anyone but outside of his dealings with HHH and Goldberg I do not think he was misused.

[seanwalsh]

I think a new era did begin.

And it has been an awful one.

[Chainsaw]

seanwalsh said:

I think a new era did begin.

And it has been an awful one.

...Yeah, I got nothing to add to that.

[odanobunaga]

Yes, a new era!


That is just like the 80´s!

[amsiraK]

godz said:

stevedave said:

I think you can make an argument for Jericho leaving about how the company rarely ever gave a rat's ass about him.

I fail to see how beating Austin and Rock in the same night to become "the first undisputed champion", and constantly being towards the top of the card (Be it in a few crappy feuds) is "not giving a rat's ass". I love Jericho as much as anyone but outside of his dealings with HHH and Goldberg I do not think he was misused.

Oh, I don't know about that. That last run with Cena was a nightmare of "too much pizza before bed" proportions. If ever there was a case for him being misused, having to verbally job to Cena was it. (Never mind losing to him, letting Cena get the upper hand in promos with junk like "Cheapsauce" was just wrong.)

[Hakumental]

godz said:

stevedave said:

I think you can make an argument for Jericho leaving about how the company rarely ever gave a rat's ass about him.

I fail to see how beating Austin and Rock in the same night to become "the first undisputed champion", and constantly being towards the top of the card (Be it in a few crappy feuds) is "not giving a rat's ass". I love Jericho as much as anyone but outside of his dealings with HHH and Goldberg I do not think he was misused.

I dunno, it seemed that for a long while in '04/'05 he was essentially used as a high-class jobber for Cena, Edge, Christian, Hassan, ALL of Evolution...I think the company still gave a damn about him, but it was pretty disheartening to see him lose time and again after all he'd accomplished earlier in his WWE run.

[odanobunaga]

Yes, Jericho last run is the main reason I hate Cena, it´s the embodyment of everthing that is wrong at the WWE.

Vince push people over other people. He doesn´t care about overness, about talent, about nothing. To him, people will always cheer for who he wants.

The bussniess changed a lot since the 80´s, but since there is no competition, Vince does what his please, and since there is no alternative, he can get away with all this crap.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

Well sure Cena was crap. Cena "owning" Jericho on the mic is just as bad as him being booked to "outwrestle" Angle. But I'm sick of the people who cry conspiracy theories about EVERYTHING (Except Jericho himself in WCW, that was gold) I've actually got friends who seriously believe the Undisputed Title was put on Jericho simply so he could be booked as a failure and thusly justify not pushing him again. Whatever.

[bob]

WM 20 did usher in a new era...........the era of Wrestlecrap

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Yes, but what happened was that Eddie couldn't handle the stress of being champion (and I don't blame him, and it led to JBL's reign, which honestly was one of the more underrated title reigns in a long while) and honestly, Benoit doesn't have the charisma to hold the title and put on *** matches and get away with it. Benoit would have needed killer competition to actually be a successful champion, competition he likely would have found on Smackdown. Kane didn't cut it, if you ask me, and that was one of Benoit's biggest feuds with the belt. oh well. hell, i'd argue that if Eddie was Raw's champ and Benoit was Smackdown's champ, maybe things would have gone a bit differently. Eddie worked well with the main event Smackdown guys, imagine a full blown Eddie/HHH feud? That would have been excellent.

[Bub (BLM)]

speakeasy said:

Yes, but what happened was that Eddie couldn't handle the stress of being champion (and I don't blame him, and it led to JBL's reign, which honestly was one of the more underrated title reigns in a long while) and honestly, Benoit doesn't have the charisma to hold the title and put on *** matches and get away with it. Benoit would have needed killer competition to actually be a successful champion, competition he likely would have found on Smackdown. Kane didn't cut it, if you ask me, and that was one of Benoit's biggest feuds with the belt. oh well. hell, i'd argue that if Eddie was Raw's champ and Benoit was Smackdown's champ, maybe things would have gone a bit differently. Eddie worked well with the main event Smackdown guys, imagine a full blown Eddie/HHH feud? That would have been excellent.

I actually agree. I think Eddie would have done alot better on the RAW brand than Benoit did, and we all know that Benoit can accell on SmackDown.

[Loki]

Well, WrestleMania XX was already "tainted" by Lesnar's (already decided) defection...

As said before, it was a matter of designed Champions not living up to the expectations, and I'm talking about Orton rather then about Benoit (who did his own well... if you really thought WWE was really picking him as Top Guy you've being delusional...).

So on RAW they had to resort to plan B (back to Triple H as Champion, while having Batista taking over Orton's role). A good feud, but still a second choice...

On SmackDown! Eddie had to drop the belt to JBL, who did a good job as coward heel Champ, but the feud with Taker wasn't tht great IMO, and here as well it was a backup plan...

So basically WWE were let down (and/or screwed up themselves) by Lesnar and Orton, the two Biggest Prospects/Assets they thought they had... Every other Champion since then, Cena included to an extent, had to pay the lack of long-term plans caused by the aforementioned "failures".

Yet again, if only WWE had learnt to book a consistent midcard, just in case of need...

[MoleMan]

theshow said:

speakeasy said:

Yes, but what happened was that Eddie couldn't handle the stress of being champion (and I don't blame him, and it led to JBL's reign, which honestly was one of the more underrated title reigns in a long while) and honestly, Benoit doesn't have the charisma to hold the title and put on *** matches and get away with it. Benoit would have needed killer competition to actually be a successful champion, competition he likely would have found on Smackdown. Kane didn't cut it, if you ask me, and that was one of Benoit's biggest feuds with the belt. oh well. hell, i'd argue that if Eddie was Raw's champ and Benoit was Smackdown's champ, maybe things would have gone a bit differently. Eddie worked well with the main event Smackdown guys, imagine a full blown Eddie/HHH feud? That would have been excellent.

I actually agree. I think Eddie would have done alot better on the RAW brand than Benoit did, and we all know that Benoit can accell on SmackDown.

Well at the time of Eddie's riegn sd's roster was destroyed. lesnar left, angle was injured, benoit left for raw. Along with a few other roster problems.

[KingPopper]

I think wrestlemania 20 was one of the things wwe did to make the smarks happy, they gave Benoit and Eddie runs. Benoit really didnt work well on storyline based Raw, and they were more interested in pushing JBL then Eddie at the time. Kinda like CM Punk, I dont think WWE has many plans for him, but signed him to make the smarks happy. The new era started one year later with Cena and Batista.