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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 6, 2007 0:39:08 GMT -5
And unfortunately, WWE will use the crowd's reaction to judge how they should use Londrick. So if they get stuck with a dumb gimmick soon, blame this darn crowd. Yes. Unless you're a MEGA SUPERSTAR, you might as well be dead. So many WWE crowds are worthless. They only react to the big things and crap on everything else. No respect whatsoever.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 6, 2007 0:44:35 GMT -5
And unfortunately, WWE will use the crowd's reaction to judge how they should use Londrick. So if they get stuck with a dumb gimmick soon, blame this darn crowd. Yes. Unless you're a MEGA SUPERSTAR, you might as well be dead. So many WWE crowds are worthless. They only react to the big things and crap on everything else. No respect whatsoever. I don't know who to blame in that case but it's rediculous if they don't cheer for the good things that the WWE does match-wise, cause then we'll never see those matches, hell it's why the Crusierweight division is so friggin dead. But at the same time I don't blame the crowd, they're probably disenfranchised over cheering their lungs out for people that don't get pushes, despite being consistently over. That's just a thought though.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jan 6, 2007 0:54:51 GMT -5
And unfortunately, WWE will use the crowd's reaction to judge how they should use Londrick. So if they get stuck with a dumb gimmick soon, blame this darn crowd. Yes. Unless you're a MEGA SUPERSTAR, you might as well be dead. So many WWE crowds are worthless. They only react to the big things and crap on everything else. No respect whatsoever. Considering that WWE only concentrates on the big stars and ignores everything (and everyone) else, it doesn't really come as any surprise that the crowd was bored.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 6, 2007 1:00:52 GMT -5
Yes. Unless you're a MEGA SUPERSTAR, you might as well be dead. So many WWE crowds are worthless. They only react to the big things and crap on everything else. No respect whatsoever. Considering that WWE only concentrates on the big stars and ignores everything (and everyone) else, it doesn't really come as any surprise that the crowd was bored. I suppose. I put most of the blame on the fact that WWE has a couple of guys they have as the 'big guns', and everyone else is there just because those previously mentioned wrestlers can't fill a two hour show all by themselves and need someone to pummel. Much like when the Benoit/Finlay and Finlay/Regal matches were booed for being 'boring', it's because most people don't really watch WWE for good wrestling. They watch it for, well. *waves hands vaguely* Whateverthehell they get out of it. Or why the women could put on a great match, but most people shout 'show us your tits bitches!'. There are exceptions, but only when those matches are booked to be ... important. Just throwing guys out there doesn't work.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jan 6, 2007 1:03:46 GMT -5
You're right. In order for people to care about the other guys, you have to give them a reason to care. Unfortunately, the "creative" team still hasn't gotten that memo.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 6, 2007 1:06:10 GMT -5
You're right. In order for people to care about the other guys, you have to give them a reason to care. Unfortunately, the "creative" team still hasn't gotten that memo. The creative team is too busy falling off their chairs at the latest Big Dick Johnson skit (I know he hasn't been on lately, but that's the kind of humor that they consider to be First Rate) while Johnny Ace fires talented wrestlers with one hand while fondling his latest bikini model with the other.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 6, 2007 1:19:45 GMT -5
To be fair to creative, especially on Smackdown, I think they will definitely work with some guys. The fact that Paul London and Brian Kendrick actually got time to go out and work a match on Smackdown was pretty big, and I think that Michael Hayes (who I heard rumoured anyway was a big fan of Londrick) is going to do something with them.
Not only that, but keep in mind that they got a nice ovation at the end of the match when Ashley raised both their hands. I think Smackdown's creative is very strong, especially wigh Michael Hayes, Dusty Rhodes and Court Bower running the ship.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 6, 2007 1:56:45 GMT -5
To be fair to creative, especially on Smackdown, I think they will definitely work with some guys. The fact that Paul London and Brian Kendrick actually got time to go out and work a match on Smackdown was pretty big, and I think that Michael Hayes (who I heard rumoured anyway was a big fan of Londrick) is going to do something with them. Not only that, but keep in mind that they got a nice ovation at the end of the match when Ashley raised both their hands. I think Smackdown's creative is very strong, especially wigh Michael Hayes, Dusty Rhodes and Court Bower running the ship. Well I don't doubt the booking abilities of the SmackDown creative staff, I'm just saying they may have to rise above any stigmas placed by the previous groups or by the WWE as a whole in order to get the right crowd reactions.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 6, 2007 2:05:42 GMT -5
To be fair to creative, especially on Smackdown, I think they will definitely work with some guys. The fact that Paul London and Brian Kendrick actually got time to go out and work a match on Smackdown was pretty big, and I think that Michael Hayes (who I heard rumoured anyway was a big fan of Londrick) is going to do something with them. Not only that, but keep in mind that they got a nice ovation at the end of the match when Ashley raised both their hands. I think Smackdown's creative is very strong, especially wigh Michael Hayes, Dusty Rhodes and Court Bower running the ship. Well I don't doubt the booking abilities of the SmackDown creative staff, I'm just saying they may have to rise above any stigmas placed by the previous groups or by the WWE as a whole in order to get the right crowd reactions. They probably will. One thing the other writers, whether they're good at writing for television or not, they don't have the experience that the Smackdown team has. A guy like Michael Hayes, who was one of the best promo men ever, and a very good heel, will know what will make the crowd react to what. Dusty Rhodes, one of the all time greatest babyfaces, because he has wrestled the one hour broadways with Ric Flair, he may know how to get a crowd into a match based on characters. And Court Bouer, I mentioned him, he used to be a promoter in Maryland, I think MLW was the promotion. So obviously, as a promoter, he's gonna know what draws and what doesn't. So while the other teams may know about writing, Smackdown has the advantage of knowing about wrestling, and that's why they've been so successful. Even with Vince Russo, he at least knew about wrestling. There was a story about how Michael Hayes wanted John Cena to FU his Survivor Series teammate Chris Benoit before the match, to be like that Steve Austin character in 1997. The story is here: www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/results/smackdown/031113.htmlAnd now a few years later, I look back, and Michael Hayes was right. The crowd was in shocked silence when it happened, and for that show it may've looked bad, but the long term affect it had was they eventually turned him into the fan pleasing, baby kissing babyface. If they went the direction that Michael Hayes was talking about, and kept on going with it, then maybe something different would have happened with Cena. Don't doubt the brilliance of the man from Badstreet, USA.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 6, 2007 2:12:04 GMT -5
True, very true. I knew that Hayes as head writer was a good decision because of
A) being the original manager of the Hardys and pushed for them a lot in their formative years B) having an endorsement from Bubba Ray Dudley, who in a shoot interview said something along the lines of "let him write your shows, he knows the business"
throw in Dusty and Bower and they definitely have the skills to accomplish the right kind of writing.
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Post by Stu on Jan 6, 2007 2:47:18 GMT -5
And it certainly doesn't hurt that you've got JBL doing worked shoots on the crowd whenever they crap on a match. At least he's spreading the message to people watching at home, who will ultimately be a part of the live crowds and hopefully learn to appreciate good wrestling.
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Post by Scott on Jan 6, 2007 4:45:54 GMT -5
A lot of people assume that the only fans who know anything about wrestling hang out on here and that the arenas are full of "marks."
It was a good match, and the crowd seemed to be into it enough for what it was. You don't scream like Hogan slamming Andre for a pin combination. Like it was said before, I'm thinking there are big things planned for this team, as a unit or as a good feud with plenty of feature time.
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Post by viscera on Jan 6, 2007 4:51:40 GMT -5
I loved this match... even though I'd already seen the spoilers and knew what was gonna happen... though not exactly how, it was still a pretty exciting bout.
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Post by H-Fist on Jan 6, 2007 5:30:39 GMT -5
*Clicks link to OWW* ...
And then on the main show, here's a Bob Holly segment...and the Bashams...and A-Train/Bradshaw...Vince and Sable x2.
Is this or is this not "what's wrong with the WWE" in a nutshell?
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Jan 6, 2007 10:12:16 GMT -5
I just take them not reacting to them being, frankly, a SmackDown audience. If it ain't Batista, Rey, or maybe Booker, don't count on getting a reaction. I'd put Benoit in the "gets a reaction" category, but I've seen them sit and ignore his stuff too. EDIT: And Taker. Would call him a special occasion, but lately the special occasion is whenever Teddy Long forgets his lines and has to improvise. they were pretty silent for benny this week, mind you. they were cheering kennedy* all the way, and there were about three people on benoits side.
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