Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 5, 2007 12:34:35 GMT -5
Muscle Buster? Maybe... Chops? Flair owns those (even though his are weak as crap). STF? That's Cena's move. Cross Face? Benoit's got dibs. Stiff Kicks? Joe's not Asian. Only Asians throw kicks like that in WWE. Kokina Clutch? They'd probably let him keep that. Island Driver? No F'N Way!!! Chops: Flair, Michaels, Benoit, to a lesser extent Big Show, Jericho when he was there. They wouldn't care. Island Driver: How often does he even do this move in TNA? Stiff Kicks: Am I supposed to take that one seriously? Other ones: Probably right. Question about Terkay's muscle buster: Was that his finisher before he was called up, or did they stick him with it because of Joe? It wasn't his initial finisher when he was called up, they may have stuck him with it because his MMA finisher (ARMBAR!) wasn't cutting it, and they probably wanted to take a jab at Joe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2007 12:51:00 GMT -5
$20 says WWE would not put this front and center. Angle has some history, but Joe doesnt, and that seems to be the only people theyll push anymore, that or people who get WAY over (or seem to(coughCenacough)).
And before you say it, Umaga's gonna get beat soon, then be pushed around in the midcard as much as Kane...or Rosey will just switch to another angle again.
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Zen411
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Zen411 on Jan 5, 2007 13:57:03 GMT -5
The problem with Joe vs Angle in TNA was that that match should have been saved for a while. Tease a feud, etc. It just seemed too much too soon. Plus TNA doesnt have a Wrestlemania type event. THis match was wrestlemania worthy and now it will never be able to be that hyped again because its been done. When HBK-Angle was happening in WWE, they spread out rematches over one year instead of just three PPVs in a row. I know Vince doesnt trust guys he didnt create.... so Joe would either get a lame gimmick or have too long to establish him to the WWE fans. But Angle vs Joe would eventually have happened and they would have hyped it like the biggest showdown in wrestling (which it was) and have done it properly instead of a rushed feud like it was in TNA.
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Joekishi
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 5, 2007 14:09:28 GMT -5
I would have loved a 3MW stable with Joe, Jamal, and Rosey.
With a tag title between them, and with WWE letting them BULLDOZE over the rosters of RAW or ECW.
I really like Jamal as a wrestler and bad ass more than I like Joe.
OH and plus Joe would have to atleast get into great shape to get used to the rigors of WWE road style.
Seriously GANGSTA SAMOAN STABLE
How can that fail?
THe bit about Terkay.
He's been using the lifting Muscle Buster Suplex since his UPW days.
Seriously he has been, the 2 moves that he has lifted from other wrestlers is the Amazing Impact (reverse Chokeslam) that Morishima does and the Barely Legal armbar of one Barry Darsow.
Oh and the Version Joe does is cool, but I like Batista's Lift drop Muscle Buster out of the corner.
Maybe because he does it to bigger guys, but I just like it.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jan 5, 2007 14:15:47 GMT -5
Just a thought.... it was a dream feud for a long time and its happening now in TNA. It just seems like it feels kind of rushed. Such a dream feud seems like it had more potential to make more money by waiting on it. I guess TNA had to make sure it happened soon in case Angle got injured or returned to WWE. But what if Angle stayed in WWE and Joe signed with WWE. Completely hypothetically, what would WWE have done with this feud? Wrestlemania or just a random PPV? Would they have done better or worse than TNA has done with the feud? If better, how would they have built it? If worse, how would they have messed it up? Would they have ignored the potential or would they have made more of it? Double E would find a way to screw it up. Their writing team is poison right now. More money doesn't mean a thing if it's not being managed properly.
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Joekishi
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 5, 2007 14:16:54 GMT -5
I LOVE DOUBLE DOUBLE E! I LOVE DOUBLE DOUBLE E! I LOVE DOUBLE DOUBLE E!
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jan 5, 2007 14:46:23 GMT -5
I LOVE DOUBLE DOUBLE E! I LOVE DOUBLE DOUBLE E! I LOVE DOUBLE DOUBLE E! That's it, Mr. Kozlov. That's what I call them from now on.
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Post by maxx420 on Jan 5, 2007 14:50:26 GMT -5
Stiff Kicks: Am I supposed to take that one seriously? You've taken anything I've EVER said on this forum seriously?! And Joe did do the Island Driver on a few occassions in TNA. Maybe only once or twice, but it was there.
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Post by leemir on Jan 5, 2007 16:37:21 GMT -5
Even though it was rushed it makes sense, Angle the best wrestler in WWE goes to TNA, he's not they type of to start beating jabroni's he's goes for TNA's best to show he's the very best. And atleast were getting a long feud with a great series of matches.
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iwchater
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Post by iwchater on Jan 5, 2007 17:19:13 GMT -5
Joe Joe would have to b built up b4 the match was even thought of. Otherwise Joe Joe would b jobbed out like a bi***
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CosmicPool
Samurai Cop
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Post by CosmicPool on Jan 5, 2007 20:33:15 GMT -5
wwe would ruin samoa joe's career
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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 5, 2007 21:27:50 GMT -5
Thing is, in WWE that wouldnt be a "dream match" to the fans cause they really wouldnt all know who Joe is, so it wouldnt be as special...
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Lt. Palumbo
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Jan 5, 2007 21:37:35 GMT -5
^^^ Yep. The only Samoans in the WWE who can't be damaged in the cranial region are those who are related to Afa and Sika. Ummm...you mean all of them All Samoan wrestlers are related, ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!! (In WWE logic at least )
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
El Dandy
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Always and Forever, Hurricane.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jan 5, 2007 22:03:25 GMT -5
How do we know? Honestly? Does Jamal have an ability equal to Joe? The same thing was said about CM Punk and he's turned out fine so far. Reposting this again.
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HRH The KING
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 5, 2007 22:04:04 GMT -5
Vince: "Well....hello Joel"
Joe: "Hi, it's actually Joe, not Joel"
Vince: "OK, we need to discuss your gimmick"
Joe: "No problem"
Vince: "Alright, chicken or fish?"
Joe: "Pardon?"
Vince: "What do you want to eat on your way to the ring?"
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salTy
El Dandy
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Post by salTy on Jan 5, 2007 22:23:04 GMT -5
Joe: "Well, I've had this gimmick of being this unstoppable fighter that just won't stay down. My style is like that of an MMA fighter."
Vince: "Well, we already have Umaga. He's our unstoppable Samoan. monster. The MMA-style just won't work. No one's going to believe a Samoan fights like that. Samoans are football players. First thing we're eliminating is the name. Umaga is from Samoa, so you will now be from Tonga. Joe Tonga is now your name. Your finisher is the spear, because you used to play college football. I also want you to dance as a comedy side-routine, like Rikishi used to. Since he's a criminal now, you will be his replacement."
Joe: "....."
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Corporate H
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 5, 2007 23:15:03 GMT -5
It would of been more planned out I think. TNA rushed it.
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Post by "St. Louis Viper" Buck Summers on Jan 5, 2007 23:18:41 GMT -5
^^^ Yep. The only Samoans in the WWE who can't be damaged in the cranial region are those who are related to Afa and Sika. Dude... every Somoan wrestler the WWE has everhad, and Joe, are all related to Afa and Sika. Peter Mivia, Rocky Johnson, the Rock, Umaga, Rosey, Yokozuna, Somoa Joe, Jimmy Superfly Snuka, Jimmy Snuka jr., and many more, are all very closely related.
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Garee
King Koopa
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Post by Garee on Jan 5, 2007 23:32:02 GMT -5
I think it would have been better, they would have let it play out much longer, and put it on a big card, in the end it would have felt bigger even if they put on the same match
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Post by angryfan on Jan 5, 2007 23:36:40 GMT -5
I'll take a stab. If Angle/Joe happened in the E (assuming Angle never left, and Joe was the one that made the jump), we would see Joe introduced as "Savage Joseph the Islander" and the match would last about eight minutes, with Joe's offense consisting entirely of either asscrashes or headbutts.
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