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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 9:54:15 GMT -5
No, they really didn't. Austin had that one match where he beat Dude Love with Vince as the guest referee, and the stooges as "guest" things. But other than that, he lost the WWF Title in that match with Taker and Kane, he was screwed over in that Survivor Series tournament in 98, he was robbed of the Royal Rumble in 99, etc. He spent way more time chasing the WWF Title than he ever did holding it. The Rock, too, lost the title a whole bunch of times. And I don't really recall him having all that many handicap matches. Cena, on the other hand, "defies the odds" ten times out of ten. He'll beat a challenger, then beat him again in a 2 on 1 match, then beat him in a 3 on 1 match, then somehow beat him in a "all guys named John Cena automatically lose" match. What about his first reign where he would one-up Vince and the corperation every week? Or the Corperate Ministry angle? Austin would come out and take out every guy (aside from Taker) on a weekly basis with little to no effort. Or the night before the 'Invasion' ppv where he stunned the entire Alliance as the rest of the WWF roster watched? Look, Cena is bad, but let's not pretend he is the first guy that has been pushed this heavily in this manner Not the first, but the worst, and the least credible. Austin had a tremendous "bad ass" aura, and his killer move, the Stunner, took a second to execute and came out of nowhere, leaving Austin on the ground with his opponent in the perfect position to roll out of the ring to escape the "numbers game" Cena has horribly weak offense, and both his signature moves take time to execute, leaving him open. Any "Cena vs the Odds" match makes me think of those bad, old timey kung fu movies where a gang of baddies encircles the hero, only to....attack one at a time and wait their turn to be dispatched.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2007 9:56:40 GMT -5
What about his first reign where he would one-up Vince and the corperation every week? Or the Corperate Ministry angle? Austin would come out and take out every guy (aside from Taker) on a weekly basis with little to no effort. Or the night before the 'Invasion' ppv where he stunned the entire Alliance as the rest of the WWF roster watched? Look, Cena is bad, but let's not pretend he is the first guy that has been pushed this heavily in this manner Not the first, but the worst, and the least credible. Austin had a tremendous "bad ass" aura, and his killer move, the Stunner, took a second to execute and came out of nowhere, leaving Austin on the ground with his opponent in the perfect position to roll out of the ring to escape the "numbers game" Cena has horribly weak offense, and both his signature moves take time to execute, leaving him open. Any "Cena vs the Odds" match makes me think of those bad, old timey kung fu movies where a gang of baddies encircles the hero, only to....attack one at a time and wait their turn to be dispatched. QFT.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2007 9:59:24 GMT -5
What about his first reign where he would one-up Vince and the corperation every week? Or the Corperate Ministry angle? Austin would come out and take out every guy (aside from Taker) on a weekly basis with little to no effort. Or the night before the 'Invasion' ppv where he stunned the entire Alliance as the rest of the WWF roster watched? Look, Cena is bad, but let's not pretend he is the first guy that has been pushed this heavily in this manner Not the first, but the worst, and the least credible. Austin had a tremendous "bad ass" aura, and his killer move, the Stunner, took a second to execute and came out of nowhere, leaving Austin on the ground with his opponent in the perfect position to roll out of the ring to escape the "numbers game" Cena has horribly weak offense, and both his signature moves take time to execute, leaving him open. Any "Cena vs the Odds" match makes me think of those bad, old timey kung fu movies where a gang of baddies encircles the hero, only to....attack one at a time and wait their turn to be dispatched. Austin may have had a different 'aura' and a "more credible finisher" but going though 10 guys is going through 10 guys. If you're going to bash Cena, then you have to bash Austin for doing the exact same thing. That was my point. And for the record, I prefer Austin overall, but even his shtick got old after roughly 3 years of doing it. As for your last point: The heels always ran at Austin with arms waving in the air so he could boot/stunner them. That's worse than the baddies standing around EDIT: You want a worse example than Cena? How about Sting circa 97/98 when he would repel down, unhook his harness then take out 36 nWo guys one at a time as they all ran right into a baseball bat shot
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 2, 2007 9:59:52 GMT -5
Super Cena beats the odds again! Color me shocked. Why is he booked as the Underdog?
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 2, 2007 10:02:10 GMT -5
What about his first reign where he would one-up Vince and the corperation every week? Or the Corperate Ministry angle? Austin would come out and take out every guy (aside from Taker) on a weekly basis with little to no effort. Or the night before the 'Invasion' ppv where he stunned the entire Alliance as the rest of the WWF roster watched? Look, Cena is bad, but let's not pretend he is the first guy that has been pushed this heavily in this manner Not the first, but the worst, and the least credible. Austin had a tremendous "bad ass" aura, and his killer move, the Stunner, took a second to execute and came out of nowhere, leaving Austin on the ground with his opponent in the perfect position to roll out of the ring to escape the "numbers game" Cena has horribly weak offense, and both his signature moves take time to execute, leaving him open. Any "Cena vs the Odds" match makes me think of those bad, old timey kung fu movies where a gang of baddies encircles the hero, only to....attack one at a time and wait their turn to be dispatched. So I'm not the only one who thinks that about Cena's matches. Good to know. And as for the guy that keeps bringing up terrorism in EVERY thread here...... Let me break it down for you: THIS IS THE WWE CURRENT SECTION. This is where things like, oh I don't know.....THE WWE take precedence as the topic of choice for discussion. You want to talk about how insignificant the WWE is in the scope of worldly affairs, make a thread about it in off topic, and post to your heart's content there. Otherwise, all you're doing is glorified TROLLING. We got your point the first twenty times you posted it...... Knock it off.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 10:12:48 GMT -5
Not the first, but the worst, and the least credible. Austin had a tremendous "bad ass" aura, and his killer move, the Stunner, took a second to execute and came out of nowhere, leaving Austin on the ground with his opponent in the perfect position to roll out of the ring to escape the "numbers game" Cena has horribly weak offense, and both his signature moves take time to execute, leaving him open. Any "Cena vs the Odds" match makes me think of those bad, old timey kung fu movies where a gang of baddies encircles the hero, only to....attack one at a time and wait their turn to be dispatched. Austin may have had a different 'aura' and a "more credible finisher" but going though 10 guys is going through 10 guys. If you're going to bash Cena, then you have to bash Austin for doing the exact same thing. That was my point. And for the record, I prefer Austin overall, but even his shtick got old after roughly 3 years of doing it. As for your last point: The heels always ran at Austin with arms waving in the air so he could boot/stunner them. That's worse than the baddies standing around EDIT: You want a worse example than Cena? How about Sting circa 97/98 when he would repel down, unhook his harness then take out 36 nWo guys one at a time as they all ran right into a baseball bat shot Well lets look at the competition, also. When Austin cleared the ring against, someone mentioned the Corporate Ministry. This was a stable made up of mainly past their prime guys (Bossman) and glorified jobbers (Midian 'n Vis) then a couple tough guys like Taker and Shamrock. Cena has blasted through Angle and Masters in a submissions match, matches with Angle where Kurt had his own ref, and come New Years Revolution, if you think Umaga will still look like a threat AFTER losing to Cena....LOL. But, to Cena's credit, and proving I dont just hate him without reason, at least he resorted to getting himself DQed last night. Beating 4 guys even though two are non wrestlers would just be unforgiveable in this day and age.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2007 10:17:44 GMT -5
Austin may have had a different 'aura' and a "more credible finisher" but going though 10 guys is going through 10 guys. If you're going to bash Cena, then you have to bash Austin for doing the exact same thing. That was my point. And for the record, I prefer Austin overall, but even his shtick got old after roughly 3 years of doing it. As for your last point: The heels always ran at Austin with arms waving in the air so he could boot/stunner them. That's worse than the baddies standing around EDIT: You want a worse example than Cena? How about Sting circa 97/98 when he would repel down, unhook his harness then take out 36 nWo guys one at a time as they all ran right into a baseball bat shot Well lets look at the competition, also. When Austin cleared the ring against, someone mentioned the Corporate Ministry. This was a stable made up of mainly past their prime guys (Bossman) and glorified jobbers (Midian 'n Vis) then a couple tough guys like Taker and Shamrock. Cena has blasted through Angle and Masters in a submissions match, matches with Angle where Kurt had his own ref, and come New Years Revolution, if you think Umaga will still look like a threat AFTER losing to Cena....LOL. But, to Cena's credit, and proving I dont just hate him without reason, at least he resorted to getting himself DQed last night. Ok, that's a valid point but I do want to point out that last night it was Cena beating up a midcarer (Nitro), 2 non wrestlers (Coach/AAA), and a celebrity (K-Fed). Umaga was taken out with a chair, so that still makes Umaga look credible. Cena won that submission match via chair/stfu with Angle outside the ring at the time Austin beating Dude love with Vince as ref, and the stooges at ringside is worse thab Cena beating Angle with Davari as ref.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Jan 2, 2007 10:18:11 GMT -5
Well of course Cena can beat 5 guys. After all, he's like 8 feet tall, 400 pounds, arms the size of cows, etc.
Oh wait my bad... Cena looks like the guy who delivers pizzas by my house who drinks creatine shakes.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 2, 2007 10:18:46 GMT -5
^ And despite me being a MAJOR Austin fan from 1997-2000, I wanted Dude Love to win that match. Desperately.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2007 10:20:03 GMT -5
^ And despite me being a MAJOR Austin fan from 1997-2000, I wanted Dude Love to win that match. Desperately. Agreed. Heel Dude Love as champ would have been fun
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 2, 2007 12:21:06 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why they never have him take a beating. Hell, The Rock was top dog for quite some time, drew MUCH more money than Cena, yet he seemed to take beatdowns quite alot.
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 2, 2007 12:27:14 GMT -5
Dude Love was more of a comedy wrestler, though. Most of the folks I hung with at time never gave him a chance against Austin.
But I still wanted him to win.
And as to the Show's last point.....yeah. It would actually prolly take a LOT of heat off of Cena if he were to take a Rock-like beatdown every now and again.
But the guy is like a Terminator or something......NOTHING stops, or even hurts him. And the STFU looks like ASS. Learn to do the move right, or stop doing it, John. Seriously.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Jan 2, 2007 12:37:45 GMT -5
But Cena HAS beat 5 wrestlers before. In this order to be exact:
Kurt Angle HBK Kane Chris Masters Carlito
That's 2 former multi time world champions who were still main eventers, a monster who is a former world champ and two (at the time) high level midcarders who were working as a unit.
And he beat them in an Elimination Chamber. The most 'dangerous' match in WWE. After starting first and getting the hell beat out of him.
Then after that, it took not one, but two finisher's from Edge to finally get him down for the count.
On top of this he's:
He's won blindfold matchs (Where only he was blindfolded) Match's with his hand tied behind his back He basically destroyed the masterlock challange (Which was then made out as a total joke like 1 or 2 weeks later) He beat Jericho, with Bischoff as ref. In a title versus job match. He basically destroyed the entire ECW roster minus RVD with a flick of his wrist.
There's probably alot more I'm forgetting here, but you get the picture...
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Post by seanwalsh on Jan 2, 2007 12:48:52 GMT -5
austin and rock did it all the time, dx does it the most recently. faces do it, and have been doing it for years No, they really didn't. Austin had that one match where he beat Dude Love with Vince as the guest referee, and the stooges as "guest" things. But other than that, he lost the WWF Title in that match with Taker and Kane, he was screwed over in that Survivor Series tournament in 98, he was robbed of the Royal Rumble in 99, etc. He spent way more time chasing the WWF Title than he ever did holding it. That's why this concept doesn't really work anymore. With Austin and the Rock, the chase was exciting and you really didn't think they'd succeed because the odds were pretty well stacked against them. With Cena......they've booked him so much like the old invincible Hogan that no matter what you do to stop him, he'll just barrel thru and get what he wants. That and the fact that the "odds against him" aren't really all that convincing. I mean.....K-Fed, Coach and AAE? Give a coma patient those odds and THEY'D be able to take them down pretty quick.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 2, 2007 12:50:50 GMT -5
I remember a time when Austin took on fifteen guys and destroyed them all. This is nothing in comparison.
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Post by samachine on Jan 2, 2007 12:52:52 GMT -5
I remember a time when Austin took on fifteen guys and destroyed them all. This is nothing in comparison. or Team DX and Team RKO
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 2, 2007 12:55:24 GMT -5
DX beat, what, eight other guys a few months ago?
It annoys me too, but this wasn't nearly as bad.
That said, I'm glad I didn't watch RAW, except for missing the Rob Conway appearance. Maybe I'll just patiently wait for my first ROH DVD to arrive in the mail ...
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Post by "The Maine Event" Lil' Heavy on Jan 2, 2007 12:58:35 GMT -5
But Cena HAS beat 5 wrestlers before. In this order to be exact: Kurt Angle HBK Kane Chris Masters Carlito That's 2 former multi time world champions who were still main eventers, a monster who is a former world champ and two (at the time) high level midcarders who were working as a unit. And he beat them in an Elimination Chamber. The most 'dangerous' match in WWE. After starting first and getting the hell beat out of him. Let's take a better look at this Elination Chamber. The first one eliminated was Kurt Angle by Shawn Michaels. Then the next three was Kane, Michaels and Masters all pinned by Carlito, then finally Carlito was pinned by John Cena, but you're right depite only pinning one of the wrestlers he beat all five by himself.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Jan 2, 2007 13:07:50 GMT -5
But Cena HAS beat 5 wrestlers before. In this order to be exact: Kurt Angle HBK Kane Chris Masters Carlito That's 2 former multi time world champions who were still main eventers, a monster who is a former world champ and two (at the time) high level midcarders who were working as a unit. And he beat them in an Elimination Chamber. The most 'dangerous' match in WWE. After starting first and getting the hell beat out of him. Let's take a better look at this Elination Chamber. The first one eliminated was Kurt Angle by Shawn Michaels. Then the next three was Kane, Michaels and Masters all pinned by Carlito, then finally Carlito was pinned by John Cena, but you're right depite only pinning one of the wrestlers he beat all five by himself. Then clearly Cena beat the guy who did all the work in the match despite being in a bloody near unconcious pulp and Carlito being in perfect health at this point It might have just been me, but even though he did only pin Carlito (With a roll up pin. Not exactly the best way to finish the chamber), the Elimination Chamber was the point I got sick and tired of Cena in Super Invincibility mode and wanted to see the belt off of him at that very second. Then Edge came out and I marked out ;D Admitadly, Cena isn't as 'Invincable' as he was during the Jericho and Angle feuds. But even a slight beatdown wouldn't hurt him at all. (As in a beatdown, where he stays down) At this point Cena is starting to get too predictable again, and as such, ever so boring. Even DX got totally destroyed 2 weeks ago, and this was when they were against even numbers. Cena has still shown that he's capable of surviving redicolous odds without a sweat. The little kids may love Cena doing this, but the smarks and a portion of the adult (Mainly male) fanbase are going to get sick of Cena all over again. Soon, the reactions are just going to be like Wrestlemania all over again.
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Post by Black Swagger on Jan 2, 2007 13:13:17 GMT -5
He also got pinned by Kevin Federline Yea everyone seems to forget that the WWE just had their Champion lose to a guy whose only claim to fame was marrying Brittany Spears and then she divorces him. The only difference between this and the whole Dave Arquette thing is that they didn't put the belt on Federline and Arquette was at least a semi-credible celebrity.
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