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Post by tragicheroparade on Jun 27, 2007 10:42:45 GMT -5
People: You can not hate away what happened.
You can not hate this from happening again.
Hate for an individual solves nothing in this case, no matter how reprehensible the acts.
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Post by Fruity Delicious Skittles on Jun 27, 2007 10:44:03 GMT -5
So you're suggesting its okay to sacrafice your own health, sanity, and family's lives to further your wrestling career? Or, god, I dont know, actually doing things the way his own screen character CLAIMED to do things, through hard work and determination, not through genetic shortcuts? Wow, I don't remember any of those words coming out of my mouth. He obviously took them for a reason. Since wrestling is basically what he lived for, I understand why he would do that to be able to continue wrestling the way that he wanted. Boo hoo. Just because he couldn't wrestle the way he wanted it's understandable for him to take steroids? No it's selfish, that's what it is.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:44:09 GMT -5
People: You can not hate away what happened. You can not hate this from happening again. Hate for an individual solves nothing in this case, no matter how reprehensible the acts. Neither does defending the guilty. Wow, I don't remember any of those words coming out of my mouth. He obviously took them for a reason. Since wrestling is basically what he lived for, I understand why he would do that to be able to continue wrestling the way that he wanted. Boo hoo. Just because he couldn't wrestle the way he wanted it's understandable for him to take steroids? No it's selfish, that's what it is. QFT and I'm glad someone else sees it that way. I can't afford the things I want in life, should I start selling drugs and stealing to get them? Same concept. Go ahead, tell me its not.
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Post by Joker on Jun 27, 2007 10:45:01 GMT -5
Friends and family are shocked because it came out of the blue.
I'm just going to repost my earlier opinion.
'I don't want to forget his acomplishments in the ring, as back then he wasn't the tragic figure he became this weekend. Fate, society, gentic makeup whatever you want gave Benoit this flaw whether though an addicton to steroids, an injury to the head or just a mental inbalance and he became a victim to it in horrific circumstances this weekend gone.
What he did this weekend is a terrible act that we can not deny, there is no punishment for killing anyone in this way, let alone a child. However I believe he was a victim of an illness not a psycopathic murderer some may be making him out to be.
Thats why I can seperate him, not in terms of Chris Benoit the Wrestler and the Murderer. But as a man who was a true great of the ring who fell victim to his own mental instabilities. (Or addicitions if the toxicology report suggests that.)
EDIT: There is no evidence to suggest steroids or concussions had anything to do with this so far. That currently is mere speculation.
I will miss what he was, not what he became.'
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Post by tragicheroparade on Jun 27, 2007 10:45:45 GMT -5
People: You can not hate away what happened. You can not hate this from happening again. Hate for an individual solves nothing in this case, no matter how reprehensible the acts. Neither does defending the guilty. You are mistaking logic and defense. If a person feels better by burning at the stake somebody like Chris Benoit, how are they any better than Chris Benoit?
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 27, 2007 10:45:59 GMT -5
Wow, I don't remember any of those words coming out of my mouth. He obviously took them for a reason. Since wrestling is basically what he lived for, I understand why he would do that to be able to continue wrestling the way that he wanted. Boo hoo. Just because he couldn't wrestle the way he wanted it's understandable for him to take steroids? No it's selfish, that's what it is. May be, but the point is, that was Benoit's logic in this situation
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 10:46:04 GMT -5
Wow, I don't remember any of those words coming out of my mouth. He obviously took them for a reason. Since wrestling is basically what he lived for, I understand why he would do that to be able to continue wrestling the way that he wanted. Boo hoo. Just because he couldn't wrestle the way he wanted it's understandable for him to take steroids? No it's selfish, that's what it is. You are acting like this is a new thing in this industry. It might be selfish to do anything in your power to continue doing what you love. All I'm saying is that I understand why he did it then.
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Post by Fruity Delicious Skittles on Jun 27, 2007 10:46:35 GMT -5
Yes what Nowinski had to say was interesting, but.....talking about Benoit taking unprotected chairshots? You know, I can think of another guy who took a few of those in his day, and leads a.....well, moderately succesfull family life. Ya'll probably never heard of him though. His name is Mick Foley. And I don't see any of the Foley kids dead. But there's just as much proof of people not killing their kids, but comitting suicide stemming from concussions. Take Mike Awesome for example. That's the point though. Mike Awesome took his own life. He didn't take his wifes' and he didn't take his kids.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 27, 2007 10:46:42 GMT -5
Amazon's Heinous Act, McMahon’s Statement, More Date Added: June 27, 2007 Story By: Richard Gray Source: PWInsider.com
- In one of the most despicable acts since the Benoit tragedy started, when you search Amazon.com for “WWE”, at the top of their website it says: “Tragic news from the WWE. Wrestler Chris Benoit and his wife and son have been found dead in their Georgia home, and police are investigating the situation as a possible murder-suicide.” The caption is accompanied by a photo and a link to purchase the WWE Chris Benoit: Hard Knocks DVD.
~~That is f***ing sicking some people have no f***ing limits...
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Jun 27, 2007 10:46:44 GMT -5
Benoit is a VICTIM in this as well.... from now on no one will ever remember his GREAT career... instead they will believe this tragedy.... and just for the record.... nothing has been 100% confirmed Then maybe he should've thought about that before he killed his wife and child. No sympathy from me. Seconded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 10:47:05 GMT -5
People: You can not hate away what happened. You can not hate this from happening again. Hate for an individual solves nothing in this case, no matter how reprehensible the acts. Neither does defending the guilty. Boo hoo. Just because he couldn't wrestle the way he wanted it's understandable for him to take steroids? No it's selfish, that's what it is. QFT and I'm glad someone else sees it that way. I can't afford the things I want in life, should I start selling drugs and stealing to get them? Same concept. Go ahead, tell me its not. Is getting things that you want your passion in life? What you live for? Your career?
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:47:26 GMT -5
Neither does defending the guilty. You are mistaking logic and defense. If a person feels better by burning at the stake somebody like Chris Benoit, how are they any better than Chris Benoit? Easy. Because I'm above bullying women and children, threatening them, then killing them. And condemning that is what makes us human. And I'm not nessacarily speaking to you, but I still see people here (and elsewhere) stating plainly that they believe Benoit is innocent. I call that defense.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 27, 2007 10:47:59 GMT -5
Amazon's Heinous Act, McMahon’s Statement, More Date Added: June 27, 2007 Story By: Richard Gray Source: PWInsider.com - In one of the most despicable acts since the Benoit tragedy started, when you search Amazon.com for “WWE”, at the top of their website it says: “Tragic news from the WWE. Wrestler Chris Benoit and his wife and son have been found dead in their Georgia home, and police are investigating the situation as a possible murder-suicide.” The caption is accompanied by a photo and a link to purchase the WWE Chris Benoit: Hard Knocks DVD. ~~That is smurfing sicking some people have no smurfing limits... Yes it is, but it's probably an automatic thing set up on the site, that they should have reconsidered before posting that
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Jun 27, 2007 10:49:01 GMT -5
AMEN. The "ruling" that Benoit killed his family and himself was made mere hours after the bodies were discovered. If I remember right, they found out about the deaths an hour or two before RAW aired and the murder-suicide thing was in before RAW was over or within the hour after. Now I'm gonna give this its own line because it deserves to stand out: Benoit will never have his day in court. There will be no trial. No legal defense will be made on his behalf.Especially given the circumstances around the muders and arguably around the investigation, it's not fair to decisively say "he did it." Of course, you CAN if you want to, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But it's not right to condemn a man on these circumstances. Who else did it then? Benoit won't get a trial because he took the cowardly way out. When is it right to condemn a man then? What is worse than killing your wife and your own son? I seriously can't believe any one is even daring to suggest that he may not have done it or that it isn't 100 % confirmed. Please enlighten me as to who else perpetrated this sickening crime? You're kidding, right? You're 100% positive because you read on the Internet that some DA in Georgia made the call after only 5 hours of investigation, before autospy or toxocology or really any significant testing, and without trial or representation? Wow. All I've got to say to that is "wow." But to answer your question, there are many possible scenarios. I don't rule out the originally leaked scenario that Nancy killed Daniel and then Chris killed Nancy in a rage. After all, that report got the causes of death all right. Whoever leaked it was clearly in the know somewhere and not just somebody making up crap to get attention. The fact that Nancy was killed with some apparent rage and Daniel was done in more peacefully seems to fit in line with this as well. It wouldn't be the first time a cop or the DA jumped to a conclusion and then stuck with it even if there was some contradictory evidence. Hell, I don't even completely rule out the off possibility of a fourth party. I doubt it, but it makes a lot more sense than a so-called paranoid skitzo whose symptoms develop long after they're supposed to and who for some reason isn't paranoid about the vulnerability of being in the ring with people who kill you and make it look like an accident, all while surrounded by thousands of people who were among the millions who knew exactly where you'd be at that exact time and have a clear shot at you. Paranoid people just don't put themselves into situations like that much. Kind of the point of paranoia. But the real point is that the decision on his guilt was made extremely quickly and he will never get a defense. Considering as has been pointed many many times, this whole thing makes no sense, I think that qualifies as "reasonable doubt." Oh, and it's not my job to figure out who did it. It's the job of someone who decided before all the facts were in. I'm just pointing out that he/she is bad at their job.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:49:22 GMT -5
Neither does defending the guilty. QFT and I'm glad someone else sees it that way. I can't afford the things I want in life, should I start selling drugs and stealing to get them? Same concept. Go ahead, tell me its not. Is getting things that you want your passion in life? What you live for? Your career? Uhh actually yeah. My job sucks. But its what I have to do to get by and pay my bills. So I accept that, but I'd like a little personal gratification elsewhere in life. So, wouldn't it be nice to drive something newer than a 1992 car with a huge dent in the side that dies at least once a day that I dont know whether or not I'll make it home in? Sure it would, so why don't I sell enough drugs till I can afford a 2007 car since my job doesn't pay me enough? And gee, I'd sure like a PS3 or a Wii. Can't really justify buying one, so, I'll just steal it.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 27, 2007 10:50:11 GMT -5
Who else did it then? Benoit won't get a trial because he took the cowardly way out. When is it right to condemn a man then? What is worse than killing your wife and your own son? I seriously can't believe any one is even daring to suggest that he may not have done it or that it isn't 100 % confirmed. Please enlighten me as to who else perpetrated this sickening crime? You're kidding, right? You're 100% positive because you read on the Internet that some DA in Georgia made the call after only 5 hours of investigation, before autospy or toxocology or really any significant testing, and without trial or representation? Wow. All I've got to say to that is "wow." But to answer your question, there are many possible scenarios. I don't rule out the originally leaked scenario that Nancy killed Daniel and then Chris killed Nancy in a rage. After all, that report got the causes of death all right. Whoever leaked it was clearly in the know somewhere and not just somebody making up crap to get attention. The fact that Nancy was killed with some apparent rage and Daniel was done in more peacefully seems to fit in line with this as well. It wouldn't be the first time a cop or the DA jumped to a conclusion and then stuck with it even if there was some contradictory evidence. Hell, I don't even completely rule out the off possibility of a fourth party. I doubt it, but it makes a lot more sense than a so-called paranoid skitzo whose symptoms develop long after they're supposed to and who for some reason isn't paranoid about the vulnerability of being in the ring with people who kill you and make it look like an accident, all while surrounded by thousands of people who were among the millions who knew exactly where you'd be at that exact time and have a clear shot at you. Paranoid people just don't put themselves into situations like that much. Kind of the point of paranoia. But the real point is that the decision on his guilt was made extremely quickly and he will never get a defense. Considering as has been pointed many many times, this whole thing makes no sense, I think that qualifies as "reasonable doubt." Oh, and it's not my job to figure out who did it. It's the job of someone who decided before all the facts were in. I'm just pointing out that he/she is bad at their job. They ruled that Nancy died hours before Daniel though, and they can confirm stuff like that
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Post by tragicheroparade on Jun 27, 2007 10:50:19 GMT -5
You are mistaking logic and defense. If a person feels better by burning at the stake somebody like Chris Benoit, how are they any better than Chris Benoit? Easy. Because I'm above bullying women and children, threatening them, then killing them. And condemning that is what makes us human. And I'm not nessacarily speaking to you, but I still see people here (and elsewhere) stating plainly that they believe Benoit is innocent. I call that defense. I think we would all consider ourselves above bullying/killing women and children. I just don't think more violence and hatred, redirected at another person in the situation, is the answer. Sort of like when the Virginia Tech shootings happened, I didn't seen what condemning the kid who did that was going to do. He was already dead. Wishing awful things on him was just going to dig the hole deeper. I'm a firm believer that we should always look at where we can progress positively from these sorts of actions. I don't think hate necessarily stops things like this from happening again, I think if anything, it just encourages the perpitrator to kill himself, as well, ultimately.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 10:50:22 GMT -5
Is getting things that you want your passion in life? What you live for? Your career? Uhh actually yeah. My job sucks. But its what I have to do to get by and pay my bills. So I accept that, but I'd like a little personal gratification elsewhere in life. So, wouldn't it be nice to drive something newer than a 1992 car with a huge dent in the side that dies at least once a day that I dont know whether or not I'll make it home in? Sure it would, so why don't I sell enough drugs till I can afford a 2007 car since my job doesn't pay me enough? And gee, I'd sure like a PS3 or a Wii. Can't really justify buying one, so, I'll just steal it. That's why steroid use and stealing are illegal.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:51:07 GMT -5
Who else did it then? Benoit won't get a trial because he took the cowardly way out. When is it right to condemn a man then? What is worse than killing your wife and your own son? I seriously can't believe any one is even daring to suggest that he may not have done it or that it isn't 100 % confirmed. Please enlighten me as to who else perpetrated this sickening crime? You're kidding, right? You're 100% positive because you read on the Internet that some DA in Georgia made the call after only 5 hours of investigation, before autospy or toxocology or really any significant testing, and without trial or representation? Wow. All I've got to say to that is "wow." But to answer your question, there are many possible scenarios. I don't rule out the originally leaked scenario that Nancy killed Daniel and then Chris killed Nancy in a rage. After all, that report got the causes of death all right. Whoever leaked it was clearly in the know somewhere and not just somebody making up crap to get attention. The fact that Nancy was killed with some apparent rage and Daniel was done in more peacefully seems to fit in line with this as well. It wouldn't be the first time a cop or the DA jumped to a conclusion and then stuck with it even if there was some contradictory evidence. Hell, I don't even completely rule out the off possibility of a fourth party. I doubt it, but it makes a lot more sense than a so-called paranoid skitzo whose symptoms develop long after they're supposed to and who for some reason isn't paranoid about the vulnerability of being in the ring with people who kill you and make it look like an accident, all while surrounded by thousands of people who were among the millions who knew exactly where you'd be at that exact time and have a clear shot at you. Paranoid people just don't put themselves into situations like that much. Kind of the point of paranoia. But the real point is that the decision on his guilt was made extremely quickly and he will never get a defense. Considering as has been pointed many many times, this whole thing makes no sense, I think that qualifies as "reasonable doubt." Oh, and it's not my job to figure out who did it. It's the job of someone who decided before all the facts were in. I'm just pointing out that he/she is bad at their job. Except you convienantly "forget" that that report claimed Benoit hung himself in I believe a hallway, with a rope he retrieved from the garage. 1 - How would they know where he got the rope from? Thats sloppy fake writing. 2 - They claimed he left a note. Its being said there wasn't one 3 - Benoit hung himself from a weight machine in the basement and rope was not involved. It's not too hard for someone to fake a report stating suffication and strangulation as causes of death when the officials have already confirmed that shooting and stabbing were not causes.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 27, 2007 10:52:15 GMT -5
I think it's important for people to do this.
Try to understand what happened and why. Even if you think it's reprehensible or whatever, I think a lot of people, the reason they are defending him is 2 things. They don't want to believe their hero or something they admired did this. That is normal. Another is they are trying to find something to blame it on, and find a reason behind it. While that is something that is good to do, I think people are ignoring the fact he did it, and making him to be a victim. No matter how messed up he was, be it steroids, concussions, depression, mental illness, you name it, he still did it, and if he was alive, he'd be killed by the death penalty, and would deserve it.
However, I think the other side of the coin is people are so angry(and rightfully say) that they aren't looking into why he could have done it and what his emotional state was, they're just reacting to the bad situation, instead of taking in what may've happened, and assessing it. And I think the arguments back and forth here are those two sides. I don't want to push myself into the arguments, but I guess I'm hoping that they could be stopped by putting everything in perspective.
My personal opinion is that Benoit wasn't a cold hearted, evil man. However, he is not the victim and did a horrible act.
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