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Post by Fruity Delicious Skittles on Jun 27, 2007 10:52:30 GMT -5
People: You can not hate away what happened. You can not hate this from happening again. Hate for an individual solves nothing in this case, no matter how reprehensible the acts. Neither does defending the guilty. Boo hoo. Just because he couldn't wrestle the way he wanted it's understandable for him to take steroids? No it's selfish, that's what it is. QFT and I'm glad someone else sees it that way. I can't afford the things I want in life, should I start selling drugs and stealing to get them? Same concept. Go ahead, tell me its not. Exactly, I was trying to think of an analogy along those lines. But Benoit must have known that it was ruining his mind. Doing what you love is far less important than the safety of one's family. He neglected that fact and continued thus putting innocent lives at what turned out to be fatal risk.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 27, 2007 10:52:54 GMT -5
Uhh actually yeah. My job sucks. But its what I have to do to get by and pay my bills. So I accept that, but I'd like a little personal gratification elsewhere in life. So, wouldn't it be nice to drive something newer than a 1992 car with a huge dent in the side that dies at least once a day that I dont know whether or not I'll make it home in? Sure it would, so why don't I sell enough drugs till I can afford a 2007 car since my job doesn't pay me enough? And gee, I'd sure like a PS3 or a Wii. Can't really justify buying one, so, I'll just steal it. That's why steroid use and stealing are illegal. Benoit worked for what he had, he took steroids to stay in the game but he did it, not saying it's right, but they were prescribed and legal, again not saying it's right, but there's a big difference between that and stealing things or selling drugs
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Post by Joker on Jun 27, 2007 10:53:00 GMT -5
Uhh actually yeah. My job sucks. But its what I have to do to get by and pay my bills. So I accept that, but I'd like a little personal gratification elsewhere in life. So, wouldn't it be nice to drive something newer than a 1992 car with a huge dent in the side that dies at least once a day that I dont know whether or not I'll make it home in? Sure it would, so why don't I sell enough drugs till I can afford a 2007 car since my job doesn't pay me enough? And gee, I'd sure like a PS3 or a Wii. Can't really justify buying one, so, I'll just steal it. That's why steroid use and stealing are illegal. If perscribed in the right doses by a doctor using steroids is not illegal. They have even stated in the case report that the steroids found at his house were legal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 10:54:42 GMT -5
That's why steroid use and stealing are illegal. If perscribed in the right does using steroids is not illegal. They have even stated in the case report that the steroids found at his house were legal. I should have said abusing steroids.
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Post by tragicheroparade on Jun 27, 2007 10:55:27 GMT -5
That's why steroid use and stealing are illegal. If perscribed in the right doses by a doctor using steroids is not illegal. They have even stated in the case report that the steroids found at his house were legal. Facts, in the instance of death, to those wishing to blindly condemn it, do not particularly matter.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 10:55:54 GMT -5
That's why steroid use and stealing are illegal. Benoit worked for what he had, he took steroids to stay in the game but he did it, not saying it's right, but they were prescribed and legal, again not saying it's right, but there's a big difference between that and stealing things or selling drugs And if you're using them to the point where it effects you that deeply, how does it not register in your brain that ITS TIME TO STOP?! And if you don't care, distance yourself from your family so when you selfishly self destruct, you dont take them with you. Anyone wanna disagree with that?
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 27, 2007 10:56:57 GMT -5
Everyone knows he did it for Lulz. Not cool.
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Post by molson5 on Jun 27, 2007 10:57:26 GMT -5
You're kidding, right? You're 100% positive because you read on the Internet that some DA in Georgia made the call after only 5 hours of investigation, before autospy or toxocology or really any significant testing, and without trial or representation? Wow. All I've got to say to that is "wow." But to answer your question, there are many possible scenarios. I don't rule out the originally leaked scenario that Nancy killed Daniel and then Chris killed Nancy in a rage. After all, that report got the causes of death all right. Whoever leaked it was clearly in the know somewhere and not just somebody making up crap to get attention. The fact that Nancy was killed with some apparent rage and Daniel was done in more peacefully seems to fit in line with this as well. It wouldn't be the first time a cop or the DA jumped to a conclusion and then stuck with it even if there was some contradictory evidence. Other message boards are mocking the posters here for sticking up for Benoit. I didin't really believe that could be true, and then I read this. You are in utter, ridiculous, denial, and know nothing about the crimininal investigation process. This wasn't a "DA Call" - there's nothing to prosecute, everyone's dead. The investigators knew what happened 10 minutes after they walked in the house.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 10:58:30 GMT -5
Benoit worked for what he had, he took steroids to stay in the game but he did it, not saying it's right, but they were prescribed and legal, again not saying it's right, but there's a big difference between that and stealing things or selling drugs And if you're using them to the point where it effects you that deeply, how does it not register in your brain that ITS TIME TO STOP?! And if you don't care, distance yourself from your family so when you selfishly self destruct, you dont take them with you. Anyone wanna disagree with that? It obviously didn't register with Benoit, and whatever reason he had for continuing, we'll never know.
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Post by Joker on Jun 27, 2007 10:58:34 GMT -5
If perscribed in the right does using steroids is not illegal. They have even stated in the case report that the steroids found at his house were legal. I should have said abusing steroids. Fair enough, but there is no actual report stating this tragic event had anything to do with steroids. Plus until the toxicology report comes out we won't know. As for the concussion discussion I don't even know where that has come from since I haven't seen any reports about it.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Jun 27, 2007 10:59:21 GMT -5
You're kidding, right? You're 100% positive because you read on the Internet that some DA in Georgia made the call after only 5 hours of investigation, before autospy or toxocology or really any significant testing, and without trial or representation? Wow. All I've got to say to that is "wow." But to answer your question, there are many possible scenarios. I don't rule out the originally leaked scenario that Nancy killed Daniel and then Chris killed Nancy in a rage. After all, that report got the causes of death all right. Whoever leaked it was clearly in the know somewhere and not just somebody making up crap to get attention. The fact that Nancy was killed with some apparent rage and Daniel was done in more peacefully seems to fit in line with this as well. It wouldn't be the first time a cop or the DA jumped to a conclusion and then stuck with it even if there was some contradictory evidence. Other message boards are mocking the posters here for sticking up for Benoit. I didin't really believe that could be true, and then I read this. You are in utter, ridiculous, denial, and know nothing about the crimininal investigation process. This wasn't a "DA Call" - there's nothing to prosecute, everyone's dead. The investigators knew what happened 10 minutes after they walked in the house. If other boards are talking about us could it PLEASE be mentioned that there's only like 2, maybe 3, people arguing this and the rest of us are either trying to talk some sense in to them or have just given up?
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Post by tragicheroparade on Jun 27, 2007 10:59:47 GMT -5
Benoit worked for what he had, he took steroids to stay in the game but he did it, not saying it's right, but they were prescribed and legal, again not saying it's right, but there's a big difference between that and stealing things or selling drugs And if you're using them to the point where it effects you that deeply, how does it not register in your brain that ITS TIME TO STOP?! And if you don't care, distance yourself from your family so when you selfishly self destruct, you dont take them with you. Anyone wanna disagree with that? For the sake of your own convictions, you'd be wise to hope you aren't harboring an untapped mental disorder. Nobody here has a monopoly on whatever is thinking or what everyone should be thinking. Do you think Chris Benoit, circa 2002 is thinking: "Gee, if I don't stop taking steroids, I'm going to spiral into the mental state of a serial killer in five years and off my most beloved." Or do you think he looked around like everyone else has (and probably will continue to), and saw "very little risk with a lot of reward".. It doesn't JUSTIFY it, but what the hell is your point, exactly?
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Post by magicman on Jun 27, 2007 11:00:29 GMT -5
I think it's important for people to do this. Try to understand what happened and why. Even if you think it's reprehensible or whatever, I think a lot of people, the reason they are defending him is 2 things. They don't want to believe their hero or something they admired did this. That is normal. Another is they are trying to find something to blame it on, and find a reason behind it. While that is something that is good to do, I think people are ignoring the fact he did it, and making him to be a victim. No matter how messed up he was, be it steroids, concussions, depression, mental illness, you name it, he still did it, and if he was alive, he'd be killed by the death penalty, and would deserve it. However, I think the other side of the coin is people are so angry(and rightfully say) that they aren't looking into why he could have done it and what his emotional state was, they're just reacting to the bad situation, instead of taking in what may've happened, and assessing it. And I think the arguments back and forth here are those two sides. I don't want to push myself into the arguments, but I guess I'm hoping that they could be stopped by putting everything in perspective. My personal opinion is that Benoit wasn't a cold hearted, evil man. However, he is not the victim and did a horrible act. You make a lot sense Andrew. No conclusions can be drawn until the full facts they have are made available. It's all small bits at the minute, & a small amount of knowledge is a dangerous thing. I'm waiting to see what is said when all the tests & investigations are done because all this speculation & what seems to be justifcation from some people floating around just causes more problems & arguments.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 27, 2007 11:01:31 GMT -5
Easy. Because I'm above bullying women and children, threatening them, then killing them. And condemning that is what makes us human. And I'm not nessacarily speaking to you, but I still see people here (and elsewhere) stating plainly that they believe Benoit is innocent. I call that defense. I think we would all consider ourselves above bullying/killing women and children. I just don't think more violence and hatred, redirected at another person in the situation, is the answer. Sort of like when the Virginia Tech shootings happened, I didn't seen what condemning the kid who did that was going to do. He was already dead. Wishing awful things on him was just going to dig the hole deeper. I'm a firm believer that we should always look at where we can progress positively from these sorts of actions. I don't think hate necessarily stops things like this from happening again, I think if anything, it just encourages the perpitrator to kill himself, as well, ultimately. I agree completely with what you are saying here. Hating and condemning Benoit solves nothing. Hell, none of you condemning him and hating him even knew the man and aren't even affected personally by what he did. Negativity just breeds more negativity. What Benoit did was inexcusable, but it is not my position to judge. Merely grieve for the people who are directly affected by this tragedy and perhaps use it as a lesson in my personal life; to love your family and to be open and honest if something is troubling you.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jun 27, 2007 11:02:17 GMT -5
And if you're using them to the point where it effects you that deeply, how does it not register in your brain that ITS TIME TO STOP?! And if you don't care, distance yourself from your family so when you selfishly self destruct, you dont take them with you. Anyone wanna disagree with that? For the sake of your own convictions, you'd be wise to hope you aren't harboring an untapped mental disorder. Nobody here has a monopoly on whatever is thinking or what everyone should be thinking. Do you think Chris Benoit, circa 2002 is thinking: "Gee, if I don't stop taking steroids, I'm going to spiral into the mental state of a serial killer in five years and off my most beloved." Or do you think he looked around like everyone else has (and probably will continue to), and saw "very little risk with a lot of reward".. It doesn't JUSTIFY it, but what the hell is your point, exactly? LOL. If you don't get it already, you never will. Or have you convienantly forgotten that HE ALREADY GOT VIOLENT WITH HIS FAMILY BEFORE so its not exactly news to him that he could be violent and unstable?
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Post by molson5 on Jun 27, 2007 11:02:40 GMT -5
Other message boards are mocking the posters here for sticking up for Benoit. I didin't really believe that could be true, and then I read this. You are in utter, ridiculous, denial, and know nothing about the crimininal investigation process. This wasn't a "DA Call" - there's nothing to prosecute, everyone's dead. The investigators knew what happened 10 minutes after they walked in the house. If other boards are talking about us could it PLEASE be mentioned that there's only like 2, maybe 3, people arguing this and the rest of us are either trying to talk some sense in to them or have just given up? You make a good point - but the sad thing his, those posters are definitely effecting the overall reputation here
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Post by Old School Heel mark4Morishima on Jun 27, 2007 11:02:42 GMT -5
Debra is just looking to get her old wrinkled ass in the news again I find it amazing that half the people here don't think the Crippler had any moral responsibility. Of the remaining half, half of them don't think we should talk about steroids. Of the remaining quarter, half of them don't think we should talk about spousal abuse. This is very disheartening.
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Post by nisi on Jun 27, 2007 11:04:22 GMT -5
I don't think WrestleCrap's "reputation" is going to be determined by a few posters, who seem to have become members here within the last couple days.
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Post by tragicheroparade on Jun 27, 2007 11:05:30 GMT -5
For the sake of your own convictions, you'd be wise to hope you aren't harboring an untapped mental disorder. Nobody here has a monopoly on whatever is thinking or what everyone should be thinking. Do you think Chris Benoit, circa 2002 is thinking: "Gee, if I don't stop taking steroids, I'm going to spiral into the mental state of a serial killer in five years and off my most beloved." Or do you think he looked around like everyone else has (and probably will continue to), and saw "very little risk with a lot of reward".. It doesn't JUSTIFY it, but what the hell is your point, exactly? LOL. If you don't get it already, you never will. Or have you convienantly forgotten that HE ALREADY GOT VIOLENT WITH HIS FAMILY BEFORE so its not exactly news to him that he could be violent and unstable? In the same way that I am not taking this sample, in this thread, of you being a complete and utter jackass as proof that you are forever, and always inexcusably a complete and utter jackass. Your brain patterns and chemical balances change by the hour. Not even by the day or year. You are so far behind the curve in your witch hunt that you don't have the slightest concept of what you're even saying. But fear not: It's 2007, and so you're safe from yourself. You can't go out and do vigilante justice by burning people you deem evil at the stake. But fear not further: Unlike you, I'm a compassionate individual, and I recognize your insanity. I forgive you.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Jun 27, 2007 11:06:17 GMT -5
Debra is just looking to get her old wrinkled ass in the news again I find it amazing that half the people here don't think the Crippler had any moral responsibility. Of the remaining half, half of them don't think we should talk about steroids. Of the remaining quarter, half of them don't think we should talk about spousal abuse. This is very disheartening. Especially since Debra has gone out of her way to avoid the wrestling spotlight and move on with her life. She has an entirely different career outside of wrestling now. Anyone ever think maybe she had good reasons for doing that? I don't see her comments in the news as trying to get press or get her name out there. I see them as comments from a woman who has intimate knowledge of what goes on within the underbelly of professional wrestling and WWE itself. Debra isn't saying anything that many haven't already said on here. That something needs to be done to keep all these wrestlers from dying, commiting suicide, or in the case of Chris Benoit, being driven to murder. It simply can't all be a coincidence.
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