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Post by kawalimus on Aug 5, 2007 1:57:47 GMT -5
Then instead of no compete clause you put condition in contract where you can get sued dry if you take a belt or federation property to other place with you. That would get same thing done with less hamstrings.
See maybe it is common in business but here's the thing. Wrestling is different. And in wrestling guys leaving gotta compete as soon as they can.
You say they don't gotta sign but yes they do cause Vince has all the leverage or whoever else is imposing it. Just put in stipulation about company property and you don't gotta worry about no compete. You gotta keep talent out there if they want it. Or else wrestling will die.
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Post by Error on Aug 5, 2007 1:59:22 GMT -5
. And in wrestling guys leaving gotta compete as soon as they can. Why?
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Post by EJS on Aug 5, 2007 2:02:58 GMT -5
Then instead of no compete clause you put condition in contract where you can get sued dry if you take a belt or federation property to other place with you. That would get same thing done with less hamstrings. See maybe it is common in business but here's the thing. Wrestling is different. And in wrestling guys leaving gotta compete as soon as they can. You say they don't gotta sign but yes they do cause Vince has all the leverage or whoever else is imposing it. Just put in stipulation about company property and you don't gotta worry about no compete. You gotta keep talent out there if they want it. Or else wrestling will die. They also don't want them showing up in TNA right after their last WWE appearance. If the released talent really want to work indys WWE tends to let them.
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Post by kawalimus on Aug 5, 2007 2:03:40 GMT -5
Cause if a guy leaves and is forced to wait 90 days he loses steam. Look at Bret Hart, he left WWF but didn't go to WCW till later and he lost steam and his WCW run failed.
If a guy has steam he has to run. Cause if not then it's just all gonna fade away and 1/4th a year later nobody's gonna care about the guy anymore.
So how about instead of no compete they just make it no TNA clause? Surely they don't think they are gonna keep TNA a secret from wrestlers like they try do fans?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 2:06:06 GMT -5
Cause if a guy leaves and is forced to wait 90 days he loses steam. Look at Bret Hart, he left WWF but didn't go to WCW till later and he lost steam and his WCW run failed. If a guy has steam he has to run. Cause if not then it's just all gonna fade away and 1/4th a year later nobody's gonna care about the guy anymore. So how about instead of no compete they just make it no TNA clause? Surely they don't think they are gonna keep TNA a secret from wrestlers like they try do fans? No. Just... no. Bret Hart's WCW run failed because he was booked by people that either didn't want him to suceed(Kevin Nash), or people that didn't have a clue what they were doing on the booking front. Him leaving WWF had nothing to do with his failure in WCW. Argument: Failure.
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Post by EJS on Aug 5, 2007 2:08:12 GMT -5
It is basically a "No TNA clause" already. I'm not sure of the official rules, but it seems simlar to the deal TNA has with their contracted talents. Can't work the real big indys (ROH, PWG and so on), and can't work other things that are on TV ...which right now is just TNA.
A lot of released talent is "taking bookings" immedietly following. 2 Cold Scorpio being a recent example of that. Lita did too, as I recall. Dupree is already heading over to Japan... They seem pretty free to not lose "steam".
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Post by kawalimus on Aug 5, 2007 2:08:50 GMT -5
No no no I am saying cause he didn't get involved till later not cause he left WWF or cause Kevin Nash was there. That's not what I"m talking about. I mean he lost steam cause he was out of action so long.
Night after Survivor Series WCW should had a wrestler come out give open challenge or just come out. Then his opponent BRET HART the crowd would had gone nuts. He had said "Don't watch tha tother show they are putting a midget on instead of me and saying it's me. Watch this show cause I'm here now".
That would driven everyone nuts and then maybe Owen Hart could had left WWF and gone there and not died.
edit: Sorry I may had have a misperception on how the clause worked with WWE.
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Post by The Line on Aug 5, 2007 2:09:31 GMT -5
Yeah, Sabu's working AAA, and I think he still has his No-compete clause in the states.
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Post by Chucklehead,baby!!! on Aug 5, 2007 2:10:14 GMT -5
no compete clause = NO BALLS
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Post by Error on Aug 5, 2007 2:11:00 GMT -5
Cause if a guy leaves and is forced to wait 90 days he loses steam. Look at Bret Hart, he left WWF but didn't go to WCW till later and he lost steam and his WCW run failed. If a guy has steam he has to run. Cause if not then it's just all gonna fade away and 1/4th a year later nobody's gonna care about the guy anymore. So how about instead of no compete they just make it no TNA clause? Surely they don't think they are gonna keep TNA a secret from wrestlers like they try do fans? a) It is a no TV/DVD company cause basically. b) Why should TNA (for this example) benefit from the work WWE put into a guy if that guy gets fired because he's a f*** up? If WWE puts the time and money into a guy and he goes and gets fired for Wellness, crappy in ring work or just plane jackassery, TNA should have no right to benefit from it.
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Post by The Line on Aug 5, 2007 2:11:01 GMT -5
No no no I am saying cause he didn't get involved till later not cause he left WWF or cause Kevin Nash was there. That's not what I"m talking about. I mean he lost steam cause he was out of action so long. Night after Survivor Series WCW should had a wrestler come out give open challenge or just come out. Then his opponent BRET HART the crowd would had gone nuts. He had said "Don't watch tha tother show they are putting a midget on instead of me and saying it's me. Watch this show cause I'm here now". That would driven everyone nuts and then maybe Owen Hart could had left WWF and gone there and not died. edit: Sorry I may had have a misperception on how the clause worked with WWE. and why would that make WWE want to do that,exactly. Thats the exact reason why they DO put No-compete clauses. And the Owen issue has nothing to do with it. No Compete clauses had nothing to do with his death
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2007 2:12:47 GMT -5
No no no I am saying cause he didn't get involved till later not cause he left WWF or cause Kevin Nash was there. That's not what I"m talking about. I mean he lost steam cause he was out of action so long. Night after Survivor Series WCW should had a wrestler come out give open challenge or just come out. Then his opponent BRET HART the crowd would had gone nuts. He had said "Don't watch tha tother show they are putting a midget on instead of me and saying it's me. Watch this show cause I'm here now". That would driven everyone nuts and then maybe Owen Hart could had left WWF and gone there and not died. edit: Sorry I may had have a misperception on how the clause worked with WWE. and why would that make WWE want to do that,exactly. Thats the exact reason why they DO put No-compete clauses. Yeah. And quite honestly, it's from a TERRIBLE business perspective to not uphold these clauses. Unless you want to kill the promotion you run.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 2:12:59 GMT -5
No no no I am saying cause he didn't get involved till later not cause he left WWF or cause Kevin Nash was there. That's not what I"m talking about. I mean he lost steam cause he was out of action so long. Night after Survivor Series WCW should had a wrestler come out give open challenge or just come out. Then his opponent BRET HART the crowd would had gone nuts. He had said "Don't watch tha tother show they are putting a midget on instead of me and saying it's me. Watch this show cause I'm here now". That would driven everyone nuts and then maybe Owen Hart could had left WWF and gone there and not died. edit: Sorry I may had have a misperception on how the clause worked with WWE. Also, for the record, it was Bret and WCW's decision for holding off on his debut for maximum impact, which was immediately wasted by them, by making him a special ref. Trust me, the terms of his contract had nothing to do with him sucking in WCW, and NOTHING to do with Owen, and it's stupid to even insinuate that. He was locked in a contract. Bret was set to debut on December 8th, maybe a week, possibly two, after the Montreal Incident, then it got pushed back. I'm relatively certain the no compete clause didn't have anything to do with Bret in the first place, because Vince gave him permission to leave before screwing him.
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Post by The Line on Aug 5, 2007 2:14:45 GMT -5
Vince didn't care when Bret debuted in WCW. His only condition was he didn't want the WWF title on Nitro. Because of the way Brett was released, I think he may have gotten the no compete clause waived.
But I could be wrong
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 2:16:01 GMT -5
Vince didn't care when Bret debuted in WCW. His only condition was he didn't want the WWF title on Nitro. Because of the way Brett was released, I think he may have gotten the no compete clause waived. But I could be wrong No, you're exactly right. Vince's only qualm with Bret in WCW was that he didn't want him to take the title with him, most likely because of the aformentioned Medusa incident. His time of debut had nothing to do with it.
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Post by The Line on Aug 5, 2007 2:16:47 GMT -5
OK. I thought I was right. I just watched Wrestling with Shadows today(Saturday)
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Post by Chucklehead,baby!!! on Aug 5, 2007 2:18:19 GMT -5
wwe wonders why the industry is suffering. thats what happens when u buy ur competition,dumb ass.
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Post by kawalimus on Aug 5, 2007 2:21:13 GMT -5
Owen Hart wanted leave right after Bret did. But he stayed around just cause he was afraid of what WWF would done if he broke contract. So he stayed in WWF even though he didn't want do that. Mick Foley broke his contract and didn't even show up for work the next night but he didn't punished. Why's that? Cause WWF selective on what to enforce. Why wasn't Foley sued what he did to Vince? But I bet if Owen had gone WCW he would had been sued and Owen did that too which caused him stay in WWF.
You can't just stand around hoping for maximum impact that's what WWE tried do with Rey Mysterio and look how good his title reign was. Sometimes you gotta do stuff quick and exciting. Why do you think WCW started decline right around that time? Cause they lost their bite. Any guy knows what he's doing wouldn't just wait around. That's like a football team saying "well we could score now but let's wait cause we might get a two point conversion if we do it later". It don't make sense. You gotta go for the kill or else you're gonna get killed. That's the way wrestling business worked and if WCW had done that style they would never gone out of business.
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Post by The Line on Aug 5, 2007 2:24:42 GMT -5
Owen Hart wanted leave right after Bret did. But he stayed around just cause he was afraid of what WWF would done if he broke contract. So he stayed in WWF even though he didn't want do that. Mick Foley broke his contract and didn't even show up for work the next night but he didn't punished. Why's that? Cause WWF selective on what to enforce. Why wasn't Foley sued what he did to Vince? But I bet if Owen had gone WCW he would had been sued and Owen did that too which caused him stay in WWF. First off, even if there were no compete clauses, That wouldn't have guarentee'd Owen's release. Fact is, he signed the contract. And if he did try to defect while still under WWF contract, he deserves to get sued. You can't just stand around hoping for maximum impact that's what WWE tried do with Rey Mysterio and look how good his title reign was. Sometimes you gotta do stuff quick and exciting. Why do you think WCW started decline right around that time? Cause they lost their bite. Any guy knows what he's doing wouldn't just wait around. That's like a football team saying "well we could score now but let's wait cause we might get a two point conversion if we do it later". It don't make sense. You gotta go for the kill or else you're gonna get killed. That's the way wrestling business worked and if WCW had done that style they would never gone out of business. still, that has NOTHING to do with No Compete Clauses. it was Bret's and the WCW Booker's decision.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 2:26:14 GMT -5
Owen Hart wanted leave right after Bret did. But he stayed around just cause he was afraid of what WWF would done if he broke contract. So he stayed in WWF even though he didn't want do that. Mick Foley broke his contract and didn't even show up for work the next night but he didn't punished. Why's that? Cause WWF selective on what to enforce. Why wasn't Foley sued what he did to Vince? But I bet if Owen had gone WCW he would had been sued and Owen did that too which caused him stay in WWF. I'll start with this one, because it pisses me off more. Owen didn't not leave because he was scared. Did he want to leave? You bet your ass. But he didn't, not because he was scared he was gonna get sued, but because he was in a contract and knew the company needed him. He wasn't scared, he was LOYAL! And I respect the hell out of him for staying. Foley didn't get punished because he talked to Jim Ross, among others about his reasons for leaving, then, when he came back, the next week, I remind you, he apologized for what he did, and it was never brought up by either party again, except in Foley's book. Not selective, but rational. Considering your previous arguments that WCW wasn't at fault for what happened to Bret, this argument doesn't make any sense at all, so I'm not even gonna dignify it. All I'll say is, with this, you're arguing with yourself.
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