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Post by kawalimus on Aug 5, 2007 2:39:37 GMT -5
No I am saying that both parties were at fault WCW and WWF and Bret Hart too if thats true.
After World War II when Japan was defeated Americans said to em they can't have a military like that anymore. So we stripped them of military and told em they had to cut it down. At the time it seemed like a great idea cause they'd never hurt anybody again. But then in the future it turned out that was huge mistake cause now one of our best allies would had been strong force got no military to fight. And now we could use em(please no current politics). That is an example of real life non compete clauses backfiring against the big picture.
Owen Hart should had said to hell with loyalty. Why be loyal to WWF when they are never loyal to you? That's called selling out which is what Owen did and oppresion which is what WWF did. Both parties at fault again. Owen should had fought for his release and you know what? I bet he had gotten it if he stood up for himself, maybe Vince McMahon would had gotten in trouble for breaching contract with Bret. But Owen just kept his mouth shut and paid for it with his life.
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Post by The Line on Aug 5, 2007 2:42:42 GMT -5
WWF was loyal to Owen. Bret? No. But they were nothing but peachy to Owen.
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Post by kawalimus on Aug 5, 2007 2:43:58 GMT -5
How many world title runs Owen had? You think he wanted be the Blue Blazer again?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 2:44:46 GMT -5
No I am saying that both parties were at fault WCW and WWF and Bret Hart too if thats true. After World War II when Japan was defeated Americans said to em they can't have a military like that anymore. So we stripped them of military and told em they had to cut it down. At the time it seemed like a great idea cause they'd never hurt anybody again. But then in the future it turned out that was huge mistake cause now one of our best allies would had been strong force got no military to fight. And now we could use em(please no current politics). That is an example of real life non compete clauses backfiring against the big picture. Owen Hart should had said to hell with loyalty. Why be loyal to WWF when they are never loyal to you? That's called selling out which is what Owen did and oppresion which is what WWF did. Both parties at fault again. Owen should had fought for his release and you know what? I bet he had gotten it if he stood up for himself, maybe Vince McMahon would had gotten in trouble for breaching contract with Bret. But Owen just kept his mouth shut and paid for it with his life. I would explain to you just how wrong all this is, but that last sentence and my inevitable response to it would get me banned. I know it for a fact. So I'll end it with this. You've been either disagreed with and/or proven wrong by just about everyone in this thread, and for the record, with the exception of the incident that accidentally resulted in his demise, Owen was treated like a king by WWE after Bret's departure. I don't even know why I'm wasting the energy typing.
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Post by The Line on Aug 5, 2007 2:45:24 GMT -5
How many world title runs Owen had? You think he wanted be the Blue Blazer again? So because he never won the world title, that means they weren't loyal to him? Guess they were never loyal to Curt Hennig. Or Rick Rude. Or Ted Dibiase. Or more recently William Regal. I mean, they did pay for medical bills due to his heart, and rehab for him, but because he's never won a world title, nope. not loyal at all
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 5, 2007 2:46:12 GMT -5
How many world title runs Owen had? You think he wanted be the Blue Blazer again? According to Mick Foley, one of his best friends in the company, he was having a blast doing the gimmick. So yeah. I do.
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Post by kawalimus on Aug 5, 2007 2:50:50 GMT -5
Oh whoops sorry. I did have misperception then I thought he didn't want to be Blue Blazer again. My goof ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) . I am finished.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Aug 5, 2007 3:36:29 GMT -5
And Also saying Owen wanted to leave is part true. He wanted to retire from wrestling all together when his WWF contract was up and become a firefighter, not jump over to wrestler with WCW
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Post by Hensley on Aug 5, 2007 4:34:44 GMT -5
Is it 30 days or 90?
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Post by Kae on Aug 5, 2007 4:47:19 GMT -5
Owen also was going to get The Game gimmick in the future. Triple H himself has confirmed it. So, yes, he would have likely had a world title run.
As to the no-compete clauses, I don't think they're that harsh. At worst, it's three months of paid vacation to rest and recover. If a wrestler has considerable momentum coming out the WWE, a 90-day absence isn't going to destroy it. If anything, people will be psyched for his return after a long break.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 5, 2007 7:45:16 GMT -5
Owen also was going to get The Game gimmick in the future. Triple H himself has confirmed it. So, yes, he would have likely had a world title run. As to the no-compete clauses, I don't think they're that harsh. At worst, it's three months of paid vacation to rest and recover. If a wrestler has considerable momentum coming out the WWE, a 90-day absence isn't going to destroy it. If anything, people will be psyched for his return after a long break. When did Trips confirm that? Just curious. I saw that reference in Wiki sometime ago, but I take it with a grain of salt as any idiot could type up something on Wikipedia.
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Post by KingPopper on Aug 5, 2007 8:27:57 GMT -5
I had one when I worked as a stockboy at PetsMart (or is it PetSmart?)
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Aug 5, 2007 8:50:38 GMT -5
Owen Hart should had said to hell with loyalty. Why be loyal to WWF when they are never loyal to you? That's called selling out which is what Owen did and oppresion which is what WWF did. I still don't get this arument of yours that WWF were disloyal to Owen. And one minute you're saying Owen was being too loyal ,the next you're saying he sold out. They are the complete opposites of one another, make up your bloody mind. And I hardly think that WWF 'oppressed' Owen. Just because you dont want to release someone doesn't make it expression. We'll take your football argument- a star player may want to leave, but is it oppression if the team don't want to sell him? And bringing Owen Hart into the Bret incident was totally asinine anyway, since Owen never had any plans for going to WCW. It's funny, I read your first post and before I even read who it was by, I knew it'd be you. Seriously, you're "Vince is an evil oppressor and should go to jail" act is getting very old.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 5, 2007 9:16:19 GMT -5
Owen didn't not leave because he was scared. Did he want to leave? You bet your ass. But he didn't, not because he was scared he was gonna get sued, but because he was in a contract and knew the company needed him. He wasn't scared, he was LOYAL! And I respect the hell out of him for staying. Bret has said in his shoots that Owen wanted out, asked for Bret's help in getting out, and was miserable because Vince wouldn't let him out under any circumstances. Owen stayed in WWF not out of LOYALTY, it's because he legally had no choice. Ask Bret where you think Owen's "loyalty" stood in late-1997, between his family or WWF? Yes, Owen was in the early stages of a long-term contract with Vince, and Vince wouldn't let him out of it (against his choice), again, to spite Bret. A contract's a contract, but back in 1996, Owen probably wouldn't have signed a five-year deal with Vince if he knew the Bret screwjob would happen a year and a half later. After Montreal... Davey Boy Smith wanted out. Done. Jim Neidhart wanted out. Done. Rick Rude wanted out. Left without notice. And, had Bischoff on speed dial right after Survivor Series...letting him know that Bret/Vince weren't working him. Vince could've let Owen out, too. I don't fault Vince for not letting him out. An investment is an investment, but he didn't get as much out of Owen as he should've after Bret left. Guy had a ready-made, money world title angle with Michaels...and months later he was dressed like a "wet floor" pylon, feuding with an impressionist. And I don't see how Owen was to become "The Game" since they kept him in such a mid-card, halfway comedy role for the rest of his career. Seeing as how he was the Blue Blazer in his last appearance, I don't see how that role was leading to 11 World Championship reigns... ...or ANY world title reigns before that long-term contract expired.
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