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Post by angryfan on Sept 1, 2007 23:18:13 GMT -5
It's more complicated that Hogan being liable for everything here. A parent doesn't have unlimited liability for the torts of their children. Not to say an aggressive lawyer couldn't get into Hogan's pockets - but depending on Florida's laws, they need to show that he negligently entrusted the car to Nick (considering Nick's driving record, I would guess that a case could be made here) True, the neglegence would have to be proven for Hogan to be liable for Nick's actions in some way. But, with Nick's previous car issues, as well as Hogan having made comments on his own show about the racing thing, that can definitely be used against him to make the argument. It's by now means a slam dunk or anything, but I've seen cases won with less many many times.
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Post by John Oates' Moustache on Sept 2, 2007 5:53:04 GMT -5
Terry is largely innocent, I hate the guy, but he wasn't driving. I hope Nick is tried as an adult.
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Post by salTy on Sept 2, 2007 7:40:00 GMT -5
Nick Hogan is a douche, they should try him as an adult.
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Post by blackstussyshirt on Sept 2, 2007 8:10:47 GMT -5
Exactly he wont need to come back the guy is worth more than 50 million dollars you never know, with pain and suffering and punitive, I could see this topping 25 mill, since it seems like hulk was encouraging the behavior.
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Sept 2, 2007 8:14:31 GMT -5
You are absolutely right, but I'm afraid no one is going to listen to you. It baffles me how hypocritical and ignorant this forum can be. People here consider themselves "smart marks", but yet base their entire perception of a human being on that human being's involvement in a fake sport. It's mind boggling. I hate to mention Benoit again, but when news first broke out, most people here said "that's not something Benoit would do", as if they knew him personally or knew about his history. Yet, those same people seem to know Hulk well enough to know for a fact that he encouraged his son to street race and was the mastermind behind his son's accident. Not to mention mocking him and hoping that he loses everything in court. Why? Because Hulk used BACKSTAGE POLITICS!!one!!! in a fake sport. Boo freakin' hoo. This should be merged into the "are you embarrassed to be a wrestling fan" thread, because it's exhibit A for me. It's sad that people can be this judgmental based on something as insignificant as backstage politics in wresting. 1. You leave out, of course, that people that knew Benoit best said the exact same thing. And you leave out that the opinions formed of people aren't just on their in-ring ability but also on the many, many stories of their behavior and demeanor. And don't give me this "you have to know someone to judge them" crap. By that 'logic,' you could claim nobody has a right to judge Hitler and we shouldn't say anything bad about him. 2. You act as if the backstage politics bit doesn't have very real consequences. As of other real people's careers aren't changed for the worst. For instance, as if there wasn't a huge list of people in the unemployment line after WCW went under because of self-centered relics like Hogan. And I'm not even talking about wrestlers, I'm talking about everyone from the people making and selling the merchandise to the guys setting up the ring. All so Hogan can feed his ego and his bank account. Yeah, none of that matters. Because it's just politics in a "fake sport." Kind of odd that the backstage politics don't bother you, yet people on the Internet poking fun at his misfortune and harming no one at all gets you so riled up. Embarrassed to be a fan even? Yeah, you're one of the proud few who doesn't let his bias cloud his judgment huh? LOL. Make sure you don't break something climbing down off that high horse of yours. It looks like it has a gimp leg. 3. Let's see. He bought him a fantastic racing car. He didn't nail his ass to the wall when he found out about his reckless usage of said car. Yeah, I'd call that encouraging. Either that or he was just a catastrophically bad father and didn't take any notice of what was going on. With Hogan's money, he could have paid for a cop to follow the kid around and make sure he wasn't breaking the law. He could have had one of those devices that tracks the speed and such installed. He could have done what any parent with two braincells to rub together does: take the car away. He could have done a lot of things to stop the reckless idiot. But he didn't. So yes, he is partially responsible for the actions of his minor child.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 2, 2007 8:30:39 GMT -5
You are absolutely right, but I'm afraid no one is going to listen to you. It baffles me how hypocritical and ignorant this forum can be. People here consider themselves "smart marks", but yet base their entire perception of a human being on that human being's involvement in a fake sport. It's mind boggling. I hate to mention Benoit again, but when news first broke out, most people here said "that's not something Benoit would do", as if they knew him personally or knew about his history. Yet, those same people seem to know Hulk well enough to know for a fact that he encouraged his son to street race and was the mastermind behind his son's accident. Not to mention mocking him and hoping that he loses everything in court. Why? Because Hulk used BACKSTAGE POLITICS!!one!!! in a fake sport. Boo freakin' hoo. This should be merged into the "are you embarrassed to be a wrestling fan" thread, because it's exhibit A for me. It's sad that people can be this judgmental based on something as insignificant as backstage politics in wresting. 1. You leave out, of course, that people that knew Benoit best said the exact same thing. And you leave out that the opinions formed of people aren't just on their in-ring ability but also on the many, many stories of their behavior and demeanor. And don't give me this "you have to know someone to judge them" crap. By that 'logic,' you could claim nobody has a right to judge Hitler and we shouldn't say anything bad about him. 2. You act as if the backstage politics bit doesn't have very real consequences. As of other real people's careers aren't changed for the worst. For instance, as if there wasn't a huge list of people in the unemployment line after WCW went under because of self-centered relics like Hogan. And I'm not even talking about wrestlers, I'm talking about everyone from the people making and selling the merchandise to the guys setting up the ring. All so Hogan can feed his ego and his bank account. Yeah, none of that matters. Because it's just politics in a "fake sport." Kind of odd that the backstage politics don't bother you, yet people on the Internet poking fun at his misfortune and harming no one at all gets you so riled up. Embarrassed to be a fan even? Yeah, you're one of the proud few who doesn't let his bias cloud his judgment huh? LOL. Make sure you don't break something climbing down off that high horse of yours. It looks like it has a gimp leg. 3. Let's see. He bought him a fantastic racing car. He didn't nail his ass to the wall when he found out about his reckless usage of said car. Yeah, I'd call that encouraging. Either that or he was just a catastrophically bad father and didn't take any notice of what was going on. With Hogan's money, he could have paid for a cop to follow the kid around and make sure he wasn't breaking the law. He could have had one of those devices that tracks the speed and such installed. He could have done what any parent with two braincells to rub together does: take the car away. He could have done a lot of things to stop the reckless idiot. But he didn't. So yes, he is partially responsible for the actions of his minor child. As I recall, Hogan was long gone from WCW since July of 2000 when WCW went under in March of 2001 when Vince bought it, he didn't have anything to do with that. And Hogan couldn't possibly have been this guy who only cared about himself because in Stevie Ray's shoot interview, he clearly mentions that Hogan lobbied for Harlem Heat to get a raise because he liked them, and as far as I know they aren't Hogan brown-nosers like Ed Leslie, so bad "workrate" =/=bad person though I know I'll probably hear differently from some people.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Sept 2, 2007 8:42:37 GMT -5
Now how about we all settle down. If you guys can't discuss this without attacking each other then this thread will have to be locked.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 2, 2007 8:44:30 GMT -5
Now how about we all settle down. If you guys can't discuss this without attacking each other then this thread will have to be locked. I am, I didn't attack anyone, didn't know what I wrote was construed as flaming.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Sept 2, 2007 8:49:35 GMT -5
Now how about we all settle down. If you guys can't discuss this without attacking each other then this thread will have to be locked. I am, I didn't attack anyone, didn't know what I wrote was construed as flaming. Wasn't really directed at you, just to everyone in the thread.
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Post by Topher is Human on Sept 2, 2007 8:51:23 GMT -5
Really? Well HitmanDX... YOU SMELL!
Teehee
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2007 9:09:35 GMT -5
Actually, on this message board, Hogan can never do right, so that's misplaced sarcasm on your part. People were (and still are) blaming Hulk for what his son did. When Benoit murdered his family, smarks were in denial and wanted to blame it on everything other than Chris until they didn't have a choice. Thankfully, with Hogan, he's at fault regardless of the situation, so it's easier for everyone. That comment was directed at Warwolf, not Hogan. The rise of anti-smarks lately are annoying me to know end, ya know. The whole point of a board like this is to debate and give different opinions on wrestling related topics. Because someone has an opinion that doesn't agree with the majority doesn't make them the ever so evil "Anti-Smark".
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Post by Zach Attack on Sept 2, 2007 9:44:53 GMT -5
You are absolutely right, but I'm afraid no one is going to listen to you. It baffles me how hypocritical and ignorant this forum can be. People here consider themselves "smart marks", but yet base their entire perception of a human being on that human being's involvement in a fake sport. It's mind boggling. I hate to mention Benoit again, but when news first broke out, most people here said "that's not something Benoit would do", as if they knew him personally or knew about his history. Yet, those same people seem to know Hulk well enough to know for a fact that he encouraged his son to street race and was the mastermind behind his son's accident. Not to mention mocking him and hoping that he loses everything in court. Why? Because Hulk used BACKSTAGE POLITICS!!one!!! in a fake sport. Boo freakin' hoo. This should be merged into the "are you embarrassed to be a wrestling fan" thread, because it's exhibit A for me. It's sad that people can be this judgmental based on something as insignificant as backstage politics in wresting. 1. You leave out, of course, that people that knew Benoit best said the exact same thing. And you leave out that the opinions formed of people aren't just on their in-ring ability but also on the many, many stories of their behavior and demeanor. And don't give me this "you have to know someone to judge them" crap. By that 'logic,' you could claim nobody has a right to judge Hitler and we shouldn't say anything bad about him. 2. You act as if the backstage politics bit doesn't have very real consequences. As of other real people's careers aren't changed for the worst. For instance, as if there wasn't a huge list of people in the unemployment line after WCW went under because of self-centered relics like Hogan. And I'm not even talking about wrestlers, I'm talking about everyone from the people making and selling the merchandise to the guys setting up the ring. All so Hogan can feed his ego and his bank account. Yeah, none of that matters. Because it's just politics in a "fake sport." Kind of odd that the backstage politics don't bother you, yet people on the Internet poking fun at his misfortune and harming no one at all gets you so riled up. Embarrassed to be a fan even? Yeah, you're one of the proud few who doesn't let his bias cloud his judgment huh? LOL. Make sure you don't break something climbing down off that high horse of yours. It looks like it has a gimp leg. 3. Let's see. He bought him a fantastic racing car. He didn't nail his ass to the wall when he found out about his reckless usage of said car. Yeah, I'd call that encouraging. Either that or he was just a catastrophically bad father and didn't take any notice of what was going on. With Hogan's money, he could have paid for a cop to follow the kid around and make sure he wasn't breaking the law. He could have had one of those devices that tracks the speed and such installed. He could have done what any parent with two braincells to rub together does: take the car away. He could have done a lot of things to stop the reckless idiot. But he didn't. So yes, he is partially responsible for the actions of his minor child. I think all the Hogan-defender's point is that Hogan is getting 100 times more heat on here for his son getting in a car wreck than Benoit did for murdering his wife and son.
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Post by thesunbeast on Sept 2, 2007 11:29:17 GMT -5
1. You leave out, of course, that people that knew Benoit best said the exact same thing. And you leave out that the opinions formed of people aren't just on their in-ring ability but also on the many, many stories of their behavior and demeanor. And don't give me this "you have to know someone to judge them" crap. By that 'logic,' you could claim nobody has a right to judge Hitler and we shouldn't say anything bad about him. 2. You act as if the backstage politics bit doesn't have very real consequences. As of other real people's careers aren't changed for the worst. For instance, as if there wasn't a huge list of people in the unemployment line after WCW went under because of self-centered relics like Hogan. And I'm not even talking about wrestlers, I'm talking about everyone from the people making and selling the merchandise to the guys setting up the ring. All so Hogan can feed his ego and his bank account. Yeah, none of that matters. Because it's just politics in a "fake sport." Kind of odd that the backstage politics don't bother you, yet people on the Internet poking fun at his misfortune and harming no one at all gets you so riled up. Embarrassed to be a fan even? Yeah, you're one of the proud few who doesn't let his bias cloud his judgment huh? LOL. Make sure you don't break something climbing down off that high horse of yours. It looks like it has a gimp leg. 3. Let's see. He bought him a fantastic racing car. He didn't nail his ass to the wall when he found out about his reckless usage of said car. Yeah, I'd call that encouraging. Either that or he was just a catastrophically bad father and didn't take any notice of what was going on. With Hogan's money, he could have paid for a cop to follow the kid around and make sure he wasn't breaking the law. He could have had one of those devices that tracks the speed and such installed. He could have done what any parent with two braincells to rub together does: take the car away. He could have done a lot of things to stop the reckless idiot. But he didn't. So yes, he is partially responsible for the actions of his minor child. I think all the Hogan-defender's point is that Hogan is getting 100 times more heat on here for his son getting in a car wreck than Benoit did for murdering his wife and son. The thing that bother's me is that people are being labeled as "Hogan defenders", especially when they disagree with the norm of "Hogan haters". I think that If Hogan went to shop at wal mart and he got his car broken into and stolen, and then that guy ran people over with Hogan's car, that alot of people would say that It was Hogan's fault for shopping at wal mart and not going to an "upper scale" place, considering who he is. Anyone who would backtrack with "wait a minute now...." would be labeled "Hogan defender".
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Post by blackstussyshirt on Sept 2, 2007 11:31:16 GMT -5
If it were not for Hulk Hogan you would not have your ROH, your one eyed American Dragon, Chikara, Snorks, or any of that crap. You should be bowing down to the man. Hulk Rules. That is all.
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Post by darthpipes on Sept 2, 2007 11:32:04 GMT -5
Hogan bought his son a racing car and encouraged his street racing. He didn't take it away after his son was caught three times speeding. Nick Hogan is the one ultimately responsible but his father and mother were enablers.
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Post by thesunbeast on Sept 2, 2007 12:17:31 GMT -5
Hogan bought his son a racing car and encouraged his street racing. He didn't take it away after his son was caught three times speeding. Nick Hogan is the one ultimately responsible but his father and mother were enablers. To add to that, Hulk took his son's car away, told him that he can't drive any of the cars of the Hogan faminly, that It must be his own car, and that If he showed some responsibility, that he may reconsider. Hogan even Drove his son across town to see a driving expert to show him graphic videos of actual dead people (one named "Nick") who died from street racing and car accidents. He said that he should save the drifting practice for the track (as nick aspres to be a pro drift car racer) and to drive normal on the road. Hogan vitoed Nick getting his driver's liscense many times over this. Mabe he should have never gotten it.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Sept 2, 2007 13:09:59 GMT -5
Hogan this and Hogan that; smart mark, anti-mark, anti-smark...jesus christ people. The important thing is that there is a child who is in the hospital because of ignorance. Be it Hulk's or Nick's or even Linda's is not the point. The point is that someone almost died because of the actions.
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Post by smartcenadude on Sept 2, 2007 13:37:08 GMT -5
this is the best signature of all time.
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Post by molson5 on Sept 2, 2007 13:38:21 GMT -5
There's the potential civil liability of both Nick and Hulk, but I would be SHOCKED if there isn't criminal charges against Nick.
I work as a prosecutor, and in my state, you'll get cited with Inattentive Driving (a misdemeanor) if you're merely following another car too close and rear-end him. It's a max of 90 days jail in my state (though it's most likely a fine, unless you have priors).
This case is obviously much more severe. I don't know Florida law, but he should be charged with Florida's version of Reckless Driving, (still a misdemeanor).
If I had this case on my desk, knowing Nick's record, I'd ask for 30 days jail, 6 months jail suspended, Nick to be on the hook for any restitution, a 6-month driver's license suspension, and a period of 1 year probation (where if he got any other driving charges in that year, the 6 months suspended jail would come into play).
As for Hogan, I wouldn't even consider charging him criminally, that'd be a case for a civil attorney to make.
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Post by John Oates' Moustache on Sept 2, 2007 14:15:51 GMT -5
I'd make Nick work off the doctor bills in an Autozone, with work release from jail.
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