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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 5, 2007 0:09:07 GMT -5
I still like my mentor Cody Rhodes idea. Probably the only one.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Sept 5, 2007 0:09:54 GMT -5
I still like my mentor Cody Rhodes idea. Probably the only one. Yours was good, but MINE WAS BETTER! NYAH-NYAH!
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Post by HRH The KING on Sept 5, 2007 0:10:05 GMT -5
Not a big loss, since he looked absurd wrestling at his age and with his appearance.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 5, 2007 0:11:06 GMT -5
Again, you're not seeing my point. If they do give him a run, this only fuels him not to want to retire because a run with the belt is the equivalent of saying you're the top guy and you're needed. When most people retire, they don't retire on top and Flair isn't one of those guys who needs any sort of "thank you" for doing so much in his career, that's what the HOF is for, a "thank you". His career has been winding down and any rejuvenation might make him truly think otherwise about retirement. I've got to disagree with you. I think a title run can be a "thank you" and wouldn't mean he was the top guy. I mean hell, it's not like they'd be telling him "You're the man, we're going to go all the way with you here. Who do you think you'd like to face next year at WrestleMania?" I think it would be very clear to him what his position was. If he knew they weren't going to continue to push him as champ/top challenger, I highly doubt it would motivate him to stick around.
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Post by chickenwhopper on Sept 5, 2007 0:11:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't have a problem with Flair getting one last run with the Big Gold Belt if done properly. How would I do it? Glad you asked. Batista tries and tries, but can't beat Khali. Even after his 100th title shot, he just can't do it. He goes to his mentor, Ric Flair, and asks for advice. Flair cuts one of those "Carlito" promos (remember the awesomeness that was the "shoot" promo?) and basically calls Big Dave lazy, unmotivated, and less talented than he thinks he is, and that's why he hasn't won the title. Bats gets pissed, and Flair puts out the challenge to the Great Khali. First match, Flair loses. He demands a rematch, and is granted it due to "lack of competition." Second match, Flair takes Khali off his feet, almost applies the figure-four, but Khali squeaks out a win. Third match, pay-per-view. No holds barred. Flair lives up to his "dirties player in the game" moniker and cheats like hell to beat Khali. I'm talking nutshots, charishots, the works. Finally he pins Khali while applying the figure-four, and the crowd goes ape-spit. Flair cuts a promo saying he's still got it, he always knew it, and guys like Dave Batista are a dime a dozen and can't get the job done. He says that experience trumps muscles, and brain overcomes brawn. He then announces his retirement, and Teddy Long announces a tournament for the vacant title, won by whomever they see fit at the time. I should book for WWE. I really should...... No disrespect to you personally, but who would this help at all?
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 5, 2007 0:11:29 GMT -5
As reported earlier, Ric Flair has quit WWE. Dave Meltzer is now reporting that Flair actually gave notice to the company on 8/21.
WWE has already offered Flair a major program to return.
Credit: WrestlingObserver.com
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 5, 2007 0:12:50 GMT -5
I still like my mentor Cody Rhodes idea. Probably the only one. Yours was good, but MINE WAS BETTER! NYAH-NYAH! True, but mine took like five seconds to type, you had to imagine that whole scenario.. HA-HA!
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 5, 2007 0:13:35 GMT -5
No disrespect to you personally, but who would this help at all? Something I don't quite understand...why does everything have to help somebody? Nothing else WWE seems to be doing is helping anybody. Cena beating everybody? No, he's already established. I cant think of anything they've done recently that's helped somebody.
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Post by chickenwhopper on Sept 5, 2007 0:15:09 GMT -5
I've got to disagree with you. I think a title run can be a "thank you" and wouldn't mean he was the top guy. I mean hell, it's not like they'd be telling him "You're the man, we're going to go all the way with you here. Who do you think you'd like to face next year at WrestleMania?" I think it would be very clear to him what his position was. If he knew they weren't going to continue to push him as champ/top challenger, I highly doubt it would motivate him to stick around. You fail to see how people like Flair think. No matter what sort of things they might tell Flair, I guarentee Flair would still feel his need to be there. And most wrestlers have a hard time with retirement, especially guys like Flair who will only stay in the spotlight as much as they're allowed. Remember back when Funk was "given a thank you" with his many retirement matches and even title reigns as a form of "thanks". It means nothing if the person is unwilling to give it up. And I truly believe that Flair is much more motivated to stay around than Funk ever was if given the opportunity.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Sept 5, 2007 0:15:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't have a problem with Flair getting one last run with the Big Gold Belt if done properly. How would I do it? Glad you asked. Batista tries and tries, but can't beat Khali. Even after his 100th title shot, he just can't do it. He goes to his mentor, Ric Flair, and asks for advice. Flair cuts one of those "Carlito" promos (remember the awesomeness that was the "shoot" promo?) and basically calls Big Dave lazy, unmotivated, and less talented than he thinks he is, and that's why he hasn't won the title. Bats gets pissed, and Flair puts out the challenge to the Great Khali. First match, Flair loses. He demands a rematch, and is granted it due to "lack of competition." Second match, Flair takes Khali off his feet, almost applies the figure-four, but Khali squeaks out a win. Third match, pay-per-view. No holds barred. Flair lives up to his "dirties player in the game" moniker and cheats like hell to beat Khali. I'm talking nutshots, charishots, the works. Finally he pins Khali while applying the figure-four, and the crowd goes ape-spit. Flair cuts a promo saying he's still got it, he always knew it, and guys like Dave Batista are a dime a dozen and can't get the job done. He says that experience trumps muscles, and brain overcomes brawn. He then announces his retirement, and Teddy Long announces a tournament for the vacant title, won by whomever they see fit at the time. I should book for WWE. I really should...... No disrespect to you personally, but who would this help at all? Whoever wins the tournament? And for the record, I take no disrespect since I know it will never happen. I don't necessarily think it needs to help anyone. It can just be a thank-you to Flair. But on the flip-side, it could, theoretically, help everyone whom Flair has put over the last few years, as they could legit say "I beat the WHC clean" upon entering the tournament. Ferchrissakes, Carlito could make that claim and establish himself as a threat, if nothing else.
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Post by chickenwhopper on Sept 5, 2007 0:18:15 GMT -5
No disrespect to you personally, but who would this help at all? Something I don't quite understand...why does everything have to help somebody? Nothing else WWE seems to be doing is helping anybody. Cena beating everybody? No, he's already established. I cant think of anything they've done recently that's helped somebody. When you have someone like Flair go out, a guy who is the absolute best of all time, you'd WANT to give someone the rub, it only makes sense. And Flair going out by burying Batista and Khali by saying that they're talentless? Yes it is true, but you DON'T f***ING ANNOUNCE IT TO THE AUDIENCE!!!!! So now, Flair is gone, some people are thinking otherwise about Bats and Khali, now what?
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Sept 5, 2007 0:18:22 GMT -5
No disrespect to you personally, but who would this help at all? Whoever wins the tournament? And for the record, I take no disrespect since I know it will never happen. I don't necessarily think it needs to help anyone. It can just be a thank-you to Flair. But on the flip-side, it could, theoretically, help everyone whom Flair has put over the last few years, as they could legit say "I beat the WHC clean" upon entering the tournament. Ferchrissakes, Carlito could make that claim and establish himself as a threat, if nothing else. Agreed again. Angles don't ALWAYS have to help people. Sure, it's nice, but it doesn't always need to happen. Angles CAN sometimes just exist because they're entertaining and well-thought out.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Sept 5, 2007 0:18:52 GMT -5
I do hope he comes back. Hogan got one last run, Flair deserves the same.
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Post by Error on Sept 5, 2007 0:20:02 GMT -5
I am fine with him getting another run but, I just don't want to see him retire or leave with the belt. I hate when stuff like that happens.
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Post by chickenwhopper on Sept 5, 2007 0:20:51 GMT -5
Also don't hold the belt in some sort of kayfabe high regard. A belt is seemingly worthless outside of the show itself, and this isn't the best way to say thank you. I'd say something along the lines of what he got in 2003, where everyone goes out to pay their respects to Flair out of character is something more special than any belt could offer.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 5, 2007 0:21:41 GMT -5
You fail to see how people like Flair think. No matter what sort of things they might tell Flair, I guarentee Flair would still feel his need to be there. And most wrestlers have a hard time with retirement, especially guys like Flair who will only stay in the spotlight as much as they're allowed. Remember back when Funk was "given a thank you" with his many retirement matches and even title reigns as a form of "thanks". It means nothing if the person is unwilling to give it up. And I truly believe that Flair is much more motivated to stay around than Funk ever was if given the opportunity. I still don't see him sticking around as a full-time wrestler. Flair seems to me to be the type that if he felt he was a top-level guy, would want and expect to be used as a top-level guy. If they adamently told him "You aren't going to be a top guy", I don't think he'd stick around if that's what he wanted to be. As far as still being involved, I don't see him being cast out of the business when he retires from active wrestling. He's got manager written all over him, can be a better announcer than most would give him credit for, and is a lock for an agent position. In Funk's case, it didn't help that various promoters kept throwing cash at him, and he didn't have any kind of job with WWE.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Sept 5, 2007 0:22:25 GMT -5
I do hope he comes back. Hogan gets one last run every year or so, Flair deserves at LEAST one at some point. Fixed?
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Sept 5, 2007 0:23:32 GMT -5
Also don't hold the belt in some sort of kayfabe high regard. A belt is seemingly worthless outside of the show itself, and this isn't the best way to say thank you. I'd say something along the lines of what he got in 2003, where everyone goes out to pay their respects to Flair out of character is something more special than any belt could offer. It's a kayfabe show, though. Breaking character pissed me off to no end in the dying days of WCW, and that's why they were the dying days of WCW. Let Flair be the (kayfabe) "best in the business." He deserves it.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Sept 5, 2007 0:25:54 GMT -5
Also don't hold the belt in some sort of kayfabe high regard. A belt is seemingly worthless outside of the show itself, and this isn't the best way to say thank you. I'd say something along the lines of what he got in 2003, where everyone goes out to pay their respects to Flair out of character is something more special than any belt could offer. It's a kayfabe show, though. Breaking character pissed me off to no end in the dying days of WCW, and that's why they were the dying days of WCW. Let Flair be the (kayfabe) "best in the business." He deserves it. Exactly. A good chunk of why WCW died was because kayfabe was treated like a joke there. Once you break kayfabe on camera, FREQUENTLY, it all just becomes silly and there's no reason to watch. Flair can get all his thank yous back stage...his onscreen thank you being a title run would be absolutely perfect, as far as I'm concerned. Or even just a title win and keeping it for a week or two. Something.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 5, 2007 0:26:02 GMT -5
I just saw the thread title. Didn't see this coming. A little piece of me wants him to get this worked out with WWE. Another part of me wants Gabe to to say [RD]Somebody,get Ric Flair on the phone!!![/RD]
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