randomranter
Dennis Stamp
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Post by randomranter on Sept 11, 2007 10:35:32 GMT -5
There's a difference between comedy and stupidity. This is the latter of the two.
There were ways to have HHH as the "bastard son" without going into an incest angle. I posted one possible scenario in another thread, but everybody shot it down, and given the speed and type of responses, they didn't even bother reading the post. They just pretty much said "ewww. incest" and shot it down. That, and it got locked by a mod in minutes. Check out my previous posts to find the thread.
There were ways to give this to a wrestler who needed a real push without forever locking the storyline into his character and "marking" him. As said above, this could be written to be an elaborate joke by DX. Or we find out that the mother was lying and this was an attempt to extort money out of Vince. Or they just simply forget about the whole thing (How much of Kane's past is contradictory and/or has gaping holes in it?) and bring up bits and pieces of it from time to time when it's convenient. Or whatever. But nobody would have been "marked for life". They had outs.
I'm sorry, but Hornswoggle is not "comedy". It's stupidity. 6 weeks of buildup. Dozens of skits. Time wasted that could have been spent on building up a midcarder or pushing something resembling an entertaining feud. You don't put all that effort into what ended up being about as entertaining as the Survivor Series egg.
This will not be funny. It will get old, fast. How many skits will be devoted to this? How much time will be wasted that could have been used to push storylines, feuds, and wrestlers with real potential?
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Sajoa Moe
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Sept 11, 2007 10:36:34 GMT -5
My avatar has never been more on the money than last night. I think Chainsaw's avatar and text are also appropriate.
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It is what it is
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 11, 2007 10:40:43 GMT -5
My avatar has never been more on the money than last night. I think Chainsaw's avatar and text are also appropriate. I think that's half the reason why I put it up there. The other half being that that episode is awesome on toast.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Sept 11, 2007 10:41:41 GMT -5
My avatar has never been more on the money than last night. I think Chainsaw's avatar and text are also appropriate. Agreed.
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randomranter
Dennis Stamp
When you grow up....... YOU'RE GONNA BE WROOOOOONG!!!!
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Post by randomranter on Sept 11, 2007 10:45:08 GMT -5
Everything I've said about this promotion culminated last night and proved what I've been saying is true. This promotion sucks Donkey Kong balls. All of this bullskyting storyline and they make the gimmick his son? "Comedy gold!" What? Obviously, my idea of comedy is different than other people's because I don't find the character or last night's conclusion to the current storyline funny. It's an insult to a lot of people that watch this show and the other WWE brands. But I'm in the minority, it would seem, so hey. Whatever. My avatar has never been more on the money than last night. If it makes you feel any better, I fully agree with you. I believe that a chunk of the people who are saying that this is "comedy gold!!!" don't really believe it and are simply trolling. And I also believe that once this starts to get old (read: within 2 weeks), those same people will be the first to complain about how crappy this angle is. I mean really........even if this angle had the potential to be funny (which it doesn't, IMO), do you really believe that a bunch of retarded monkeys WWE Creative could deliver?
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 11, 2007 10:53:45 GMT -5
I could go on and on about how dumb it is to have Hornswoggle as the son and make it a terrible attempt at 'comedy'; when somebody could have been given a good push and the angle could have had a solid payoff, but instead I'll restrain myself to saying there's 4 words to describe this: Swing and a miss.
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Post by ghettooverlord on Sept 11, 2007 10:53:50 GMT -5
Was Hornswoggle at ringside at MSG?
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Post by bjboston on Sept 11, 2007 10:55:57 GMT -5
It's an insult to a lot of people that watch this show and the other WWE brands. If you're insulted by stupid humor involving midgets, I think pro wrestling may not be for you.
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Post by Sawylent White on Sept 11, 2007 11:06:57 GMT -5
There's a difference between comedy and stupidity. This is the latter of the two. There were ways to give this to a wrestler who needed a real push without forever locking the storyline into his character and "marking" him. As said above, this could be written to be an elaborate joke by DX. Or we find out that the mother was lying and this was an attempt to extort money out of Vince. Or they just simply forget about the whole thing (How much of Kane's past is contradictory and/or has gaping holes in it?) and bring up bits and pieces of it from time to time when it's convenient. Or whatever. But nobody would have been "marked for life". They had outs. I'm sorry, but Hornswoggle is not "comedy". It's stupidity. 6 weeks of buildup. Dozens of skits. Time wasted that could have been spent on building up a midcarder or pushing something resembling an entertaining feud. You don't put all that effort into what ended up being about as entertaining as the Survivor Series egg. This will not be funny. It will get old, fast. How many skits will be devoted to this? How much time will be wasted that could have been used to push storylines, feuds, and wrestlers with real potential? This is precisely how I feel about it.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Sept 11, 2007 11:12:37 GMT -5
It's an insult to a lot of people that watch this show and the other WWE brands. If you're insulted by stupid humor involving midgets, I think pro wrestling may not be for you. Pro wrestling doesn't have to be about stupid humor and midgets. Over the hill promoters and overpaid hack writers are the ones that keep pushing those two ideals to the current wrestling promotions.
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Post by bjboston on Sept 11, 2007 11:16:59 GMT -5
If you're insulted by stupid humor involving midgets, I think pro wrestling may not be for you. Pro wrestling doesn't have to be about stupid humor and midgets. Sure it does. Or at least, it always has been.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 11, 2007 11:24:41 GMT -5
If you're insulted by stupid humor involving midgets, I think pro wrestling may not be for you. Pro wrestling doesn't have to be about stupid humor and midgets. Over the hill promoters and overpaid hack writers are the ones that keep pushing those two ideals to the current wrestling promotions. Wrestling- as in the in-ring product- isn't very intelligent to begin with. It's really just ballet for the unwashed, and the messages and analogies that are conveyed in a **** or a ***** match are limited to "I hate you and want to beat you up", "I want to show that I am better", or "you have the belt and I want to take it from you". I'd go as far as to say that the stuff that ROH puts out is less thought-provoking than your average DBZ episode. So I see no need to be frustrated about this story.
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Lancers
El Dandy
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Post by Lancers on Sept 11, 2007 11:26:30 GMT -5
People are still upset about this?
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Post by Nan Flanagan on Sept 11, 2007 11:31:48 GMT -5
I'm not. I thought it was hilarious.
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Just Jay
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Post by Just Jay on Sept 11, 2007 11:59:29 GMT -5
I can understand how people can be upset after all the time they spent on this. However, no one's facing facts. The sheer fact that they would pick Hornswoggle over any other wrestler most likely implies that they had plans for Kennedy and only Kennedy. You simply can't swap a wrestler for the type of push they were going to give Mr. Kennedy. Seriously. Who did you prefer? CM Punk? Randy Orton? Orton's already in the title picture and Punk is the ECW champion. They could have gone a bit further with Orton, but Kennedy is the one who really need that push in into main event status.
WWE saved their asses yet again. If it was Triple H, there would have been people moaning about that too.
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Post by krazysane on Sept 11, 2007 12:04:07 GMT -5
At Least Hornswoggle is one of the few wrestlers that wears the a belt that he owns. And if you want your wrestling to be serious or if you dont like it. change the channel and get over it.
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randomranter
Dennis Stamp
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Post by randomranter on Sept 11, 2007 12:05:26 GMT -5
Seriously. Who did you prefer? CM Punk? Randy Orton? Matt Hardy. Jeff Hardy. A returning Chris Jericho. MVP Carlito Val Venis Kenny Dykstra.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 11, 2007 12:05:51 GMT -5
At Least Hornswoggle is one of the few wrestlers that wears the a belt that he owns. And if you want your wrestling to be serious or if you dont like it. change the channel and get over it. Wrestling is capable of being serious. It isn't capable of being smart, though.
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Just Jay
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Post by Just Jay on Sept 11, 2007 12:12:21 GMT -5
Seriously. Who did you prefer? CM Punk? Randy Orton? Matt Hardy. Jeff Hardy. A returning Chris Jericho. MVP Carlito Val Venis Kenny Dykstra. Obviously, they haven't secured Chris Jericho's contract, and people would have moaned at how long this would have drawn out. if they did wait for him. Matt Hardy's doing fine enough as it is. He doesn't need to be dragged into the whole McMahon family business. Same with Jeff and MVP. It appears as though Carlito just got a rekindled push, and is facing Triple H. There's no way he can't feed off the NO DQ match for himself only. Val Venis= Rikishi. Really, it would have had the same effect. The crowd would have been DEAD. Kenny Dykstra seems far to generic for his own right to get a push. Also, he's been here for not even a year I think. That's my argument, but I'm curious to see what yourself and others think. Those are valid points, but in up right opinion, you either pull the trigger or pull the plug. Vinny Mac pulled the plug given the circumstances. I seriously wanted JBL to be the son. That way, he gets out of retirement and goes back to being the top heel in the company.
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Lancers
El Dandy
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Post by Lancers on Sept 11, 2007 12:14:12 GMT -5
There is no question in my mind that it doesn't matter what they did, there would be critics of it no matter what. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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