The OP
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Post by The OP on Sept 19, 2007 9:16:37 GMT -5
Yeah, except Jake was better on the mic. Randy's better in the ring though. He's a lot more athletic than Jake ever was.
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Post by kwydjebo on Sept 19, 2007 11:30:21 GMT -5
Jake had this amazing dark scary hannibal Lectur type aura when he did interviews. He didn't rant, he didn't rave, he didn't yell, jump up and down, spew catch phrases or anything. He just spoke, softly and seriously. At his best he was one scary dude...the "Quiet methodical killer" type. His Ring psychology was the same. A silent but deadly sort....much like a snake I guess....most of the time, you don't know the danger is there until its too late. I don't know if anyone could ever be what Jake was....and its a mystery to me why he never held a belt (When he was in the big companies...naturally "Personal demons" explain where he went).
I guess what always impressed me was he so effective, yet so unlike everybody else. But the mystique was heavily based on Jake just looking and sounding cold and intelligent. Orton can do cold, but intelligent..... Of course rather then trying to fit him into a mold, hasn't it been shown that its best when guys can get some aspects of themselves into characters? Rock, Austin, Foley etc. all succeeded when their characters were somewhat like them.
Just my thoughts
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Post by Edison taps to the ARMBAR! on Sept 19, 2007 11:40:21 GMT -5
I think Jake and Randy have in common the fact that Jake went down a self destructive path, and I think Randy could take that walk down the same road at any given moment. He doesn't seem like a very stable guy, IMO.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Sept 19, 2007 13:33:45 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts: Orton couldn't hold Jake's jock strap. That's like comparing a diamond to cubic zirconia.
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Post by Monty Black on Sept 19, 2007 13:38:24 GMT -5
Totally agree with that point. Psychos don't look like the lead male role of a teen movie. Give Orton some facial hair (if he can grow it, can't recall ever seeing him with any, could just shave everyday, but that's beside the point lol) or some long scraggly hair. He needs a change in apperance before I buy him as some psychotic sociopath. Really? What about Ted Bundy? He was one of the most prolific serial killers in US history and a lady's man to boot QFT
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Post by hutter on Sept 19, 2007 13:41:25 GMT -5
Really? What about Ted Bundy? He was one of the most prolific serial killers in US history and a lady's man to boot QFT Someone in WWE creative needs to pick up a copy of "American Psycho" and tailor that to Orton. Hell, he's almost there anyways, but it sure would speed up the process and help give his character motivation.
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Post by Joekishi on Sept 19, 2007 14:10:28 GMT -5
He needs to do more coke, grow a sleazy mustache, grow a slezy mullet, and actually get out of shape and have chest hair. he also needs to smoke 100 cigs a day.
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Post by cernnburn on Sept 19, 2007 15:48:04 GMT -5
Really? What about Ted Bundy? He was one of the most prolific serial killers in US history and a lady's man to boot QFT The key difference is that nobody who knew Ted Bundy could believe that he could possibly do the things that he did. Ted Bundy did not appear to be psychotic, because he was a good-looking man who was able to conceal his true identity. He wasn't trying to convince people he was a murdering madman (obviously ). In the case of Randy Orton, we have a good-looking guy who is trying to come off as psychotic. But a lot of people (myself included) aren't buying it. I've read people claim Orton has good psychology, and I personally don't agree with that. He comes off as trying too hard to look psycho; it's forced. This might be a result of Orton's lack of acting ability. I think there are two routes he could take psychology-wise: a) if he wants to keep trying to directly convince people he's psycho, he has to change his appearance in some way. The obviously-psycho gimmick doesn't work if you look like an All-American son. Or b) he can play the a Ted Bundy-type character, a guy who appears to be a great guy, but at times does evil things that make you start to question his sanity. It's a character you have to build-up slowly, an on-screen transformation that shows him slowly lose his ability to control his true inner being, until he is completely terrifying to the audience because they now see the Golden Boy for what he truly is.
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Sept 19, 2007 16:03:32 GMT -5
The key difference is that nobody who knew Ted Bundy could believe that he could possibly do the things that he did. Ted Bundy did not appear to be psychotic, because he was a good-looking man who was able to conceal his true identity. He wasn't trying to convince people he was a murdering madman (obviously ). In the case of Randy Orton, we have a good-looking guy who is trying to come off as psychotic. But a lot of people (myself included) aren't buying it. I've read people claim Orton has good psychology, and I personally don't agree with that. He comes off as trying too hard to look psycho; it's forced. This might be a result of Orton's lack of acting ability. I think there are two routes he could take psychology-wise: a) if he wants to keep trying to directly convince people he's psycho, he has to change his appearance in some way. The obviously-psycho gimmick doesn't work if you look like an All-American son. Or b) he can play the a Ted Bundy-type character, a guy who appears to be a great guy, but at times does evil things that make you start to question his sanity. It's a character you have to build-up slowly, an on-screen transformation that shows him slowly lose his ability to control his true inner being, until he is completely terrifying to the audience because they now see the Golden Boy for what he truly is. What Orton is doing now is very subtley becoming more and more violent and vicious, and psychotic. Case in point: Kicking Cena's dad in the head. The kick looked absolutely brutal, and Cena's dad sold it like a champ, but what made that moment for me was the fact that Randy Orton never even turned around. He didn't get to the top of the ramp, turn around, and admire his work, he just kept walking. It was as if he didn't care what happened after the fact, all that mattered to him was the moment. On the mic, Randy Orton is never going to be as good as Jake. Jake could be considered arguably the greatest on the mic of all time. But the similarities start when the bell rings. Everything Orton does has a purpose, just like Jake. No wasted movement. Cold and calculating.
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Post by uncleslam on Sept 19, 2007 18:10:21 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts: Orton couldn't hold Jake's jock strap. But he could take a crap in it.
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Post by Near Fantastica on Sept 19, 2007 18:12:44 GMT -5
Orton is a fantastic and natural heel. I think Jake is better at the silent psycho type but Orton does have quite a career left in him being in his mid-twenties. By 30 he could really hit his stride, a change in character or whatever may happen.
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Post by imisswwf on Sept 19, 2007 18:15:57 GMT -5
Someone in WWE creative needs to pick up a copy of "American Psycho" and tailor that to Orton. Hell, he's almost there anyways, but it sure would speed up the process and help give his character motivation. Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
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Post by hutter on Sept 19, 2007 18:36:31 GMT -5
Someone in WWE creative needs to pick up a copy of "American Psycho" and tailor that to Orton. Hell, he's almost there anyways, but it sure would speed up the process and help give his character motivation. Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite. Exactly. There's your license to print money.
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Post by JD Turk on Sept 19, 2007 19:02:41 GMT -5
DUUUUHHHH, Orton is Christian Bale from American Osycho!!!
Edit: I see that point has been made lol, maybe next time I'll read past page 1...
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Sept 19, 2007 21:08:27 GMT -5
orton is nowhere near jake roberts in terms of ability, story telling, promo's.....
the only time those to names belong in the same sentence is when someone says "jake roberts is better than randy orton and always will be."
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Post by The OP on Sept 19, 2007 21:24:00 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I was and still am a huge fan of Jake Roberts. However, the fact that he is remembered as a great wrestler is a testament to what a master of psychology he was. Truth be told, he mostly punched people.
Orton does a lot more in the ring and is a lot more athletic.
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Sept 19, 2007 22:43:31 GMT -5
Jake looked devious and eerie, he cut promos that could give you a chill and he was entertaining in the ring, from the few times I've seen him.
Randy well, he's better as a heel then face, and he can uhhh
What brought this on?
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