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Post by dpg on Sept 3, 2007 2:32:38 GMT -5
It will take a great deal more than TNA signing one former WWE wrestler for vince to look a hero at this point.
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Post by Raja Lion on Sept 3, 2007 2:35:15 GMT -5
It will take a great deal more than TNA signing one former WWE wrestler for vince to look a hero at this point. I doubt bringing the Benoit family back from the grave would do it at this point. Vince is going to end up the goat in all of this, its his company and hes the "man". He's going to get reamed on Capitol Hill, legally they cant do much but it can definitely hurt the bottom line BIG TIME.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 3, 2007 2:38:28 GMT -5
So, are Cryme Tyme, Eugene, and Simon Dean part of that 10, but fired? It hasn't been that clear.
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Post by Raja Lion on Sept 3, 2007 2:39:48 GMT -5
So, are Cryme Tyme, Eugene, and Simon Dean part of that 10, but fired? It hasn't been that clear. Eugene and Simon Dean are definitely wellness cuts as for being of the ten Bucci (Simon Dean) was named in that but Eugene wasnt, but Cryme Tyme the rumor is that its unrelated (check the article on PWinsider.com) and its due to a behavioral issue from on the road.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Sept 3, 2007 2:40:24 GMT -5
Nothing is going to make Vince look good in this. Not even if he cured cancer and saved Africa.
If I was TNA right now, I would take all the titles off of Kurt Angle. If he's still champion by the time of the hearing, It was be incredibly stupid.
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Post by dpg on Sept 3, 2007 3:10:15 GMT -5
It will take a great deal more than TNA signing one former WWE wrestler for vince to look a hero at this point. I doubt bringing the Benoit family back from the grave would do it at this point. Vince is going to end up the goat in all of this, its his company and hes the "man". He's going to get reamed on Capitol Hill, legally they cant do much but it can definitely hurt the bottom line BIG TIME. True, they'd probably say he did it for publicity reasons. He is stuffed, however it is a problem mainly of his own making. Wrestlers travelling and wrestling that often, and still looking as buff as they do, something was pretty obviously going on. He turned a blind eye to it for a long time, now it's coming to bite him in the arse.
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Post by AriadosMan on Sept 3, 2007 8:18:41 GMT -5
In the Cryme Tyme thread it says that they weren't released for substance abuse, but for attacking a guy off-script.
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Post by clifford on Sept 3, 2007 10:12:16 GMT -5
Is Booker suspended?
SPOILERS
There is no mention of him in the Raw taping.
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Post by Error on Sept 3, 2007 10:15:57 GMT -5
Is Booker suspended? SPOILERS There is no mention of him in the Raw taping. Don't know. Could be that he is or could be that they didn't want him on after the Trips and Cena matches last week. He was on a house show the day before that the other believed to be gone weren't on though.
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Post by ultimatekennedy on Sept 3, 2007 11:47:26 GMT -5
At least Kennedy won't be jobbing to Triple H his first night back on Raw, and now I won't be thinking of Angrymarks.com
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 3, 2007 15:17:36 GMT -5
People, take note of this line.Every time I hear somebody defend a person like Barry Bonds, or what have you, I point directly to this fact. The underground steroid industry is constantly finding and making new drugs that can't be detected by any tests. The minute they're traceable? They'll cook up something new. Given how new and valuable they are, you better believe that only the truly rich can get their hands on them. That's why the only baseball players getting caught for performance enhancers are minor leaguers and relief pitchers getting cheap stuff in South America, while the clearest offenders get away with their transgressions, at least legally/technically. Don't think for a single, solitary second that it's any different in pro wrestling. 100% right! How many times have you heard someone defend Triple H saying he got bigger through "hard work" and he has never been caught with steroids so he's obviously clean?
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 3, 2007 15:25:40 GMT -5
It's good to see that Trips is trying to keep spirits up. Batista might actually have a case. Batista better be careful because if he's taking steroids, and with the way he looks come on, this could come back to bite him in the rearend.
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Post by Error on Sept 3, 2007 15:30:29 GMT -5
SPOILERS AHEAD:
WITH TV TAPED AND WWE'S MOVES MADE, IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT THE PLAYERS IN THE GROWTH ENHANCER SCANDAL AND WHERE THEY STAND by Dave Scherer @ 3:00:50 PM on 9/3/2007
Note: This article contains spoiler information from this week's TV. If you want to be surprised by TV, stop reading now.
In the wake of the WWE growth enhancers story that broke last week in Sports Illustrated (and other news outlets), I did a piece looking at the names mentioned and what the implications of them being tied to the Signature Pharmacy investigation were. While WWE has not confirmed who was actually suspended, the feeling around the company was that by the time TV was taped, we would have a pretty good idea who was going to be missing the next 30 days (and in one case 60 days).
The one big question going in was how would WWE deal with the suspensions from a storyline standpoint? It appears that those questions were answered over the past two days as talent were apparently able to work one last TV shot to tie up loose ends in their programs. Personally, I think that is only right for WWE to be able to do, for a few reasons. For one thing, they have a product that they need to produce and continuity is important. More so than that however is that all of these violations happened more than six months ago. There wasn't an urgency to act on them, as long as action was taken. Obviously, that is the case since 11 people have been announced as being suspended.
So, let's take a look at how the people who were named fared as well as our best guess as to what it means going forward. Luckily, starting on November 1 the company will finally start doing the right thing and release the names of people who test positive and the guess work will no longer be an issue. But for now, it's just educated guesswork. Let's get to the lists.
Sports Illustrated:
Chavo Guerrero. Chavo got laid out in an injury angle at the hands of Rey Mysterio, giving Rey a revenge win and putting Chavo on the storyline shelf. This one seems pretty obvious to me.
Best guess: See ya in 30 days.
Shane Helms. He is out rehabbing an injury so there is nothing definitive here. If he is on the list, we probably won't ever know unless he were to have a later suspension and be sent home for 60 days instead of 30.
Best guess: See ya when the injury heals.
Randy Orton. This was one of the most interesting names on the list. Some people even speculated he was the one guy who would get 60 days off. Instead, he's in the main event of Unforgiven against John Cena. While this is not confirmed, I have been told by a few people that Orton either already told WWE about this or already served a suspension for it, so he was off the hook here.
Best guess: He's in the clear.
John "Morrison" Hennigan. Dave Lagana probably cried in his coffee for the past few days as his pet project hit a serious bump in the WWE road. Hennigan lost the ECW Title to CM Punk on Saturday night, ironically enough a man who does a "straight edge" gimmick. In truth, Punk should have already won this belt and now the right thing has happened for the wrong reason, at least for a month.
Best guess: See ya in 30 days. The way they took the belt off of their boy here tells you it's not much of a guess either.
Ken "Kennedy" Anderson. Ah, the "company man" was all set to be Mr. McMahon's storyline son and get the push of his life. Not so fast there Ken, it's been alleged you have done some things in the past that you swore you stopped doing. After last night's Raw taping, creative had to change plans and someone else will now get the plum role of Vinnie's kid.
Best guess: See ya in 30 days. Like John Morrison, this one isn't much of a guess either.
Shoichi Funaki. He didn't get any TV time but what does that mean really? He's so far under the radar no one will miss him either way.
Best guess: See ya in 30 days.
Charlie Haas. He took the pin in last night's tag title number one contenders match. The writing seems to be squarely on the wall there. WGTT's loss is Brian Kendrick and Paul London's gain and now Shelton Benjamin has bleached hair for nothing.
Best guess: See ya in 30 days.
Edward "Umaga" Fatu. Umaga lost his IC Title to Jeff Hardy last night, ironically enough after Hardy had just spent his own month away from the WWE rings. This one seems as cut and dried as it could possibly be.
Best guess: See ya in 30 days. Like John Hennigan before him, when titles don't change hands on the biggest PPV of the summer but do on free TV a few weeks later, there isn't much guessing being done here.
Darren "William Regal" Matthews. His plum spot as Raw GM was taken from him and put on the always resilient and always dependable Coach last night. There is no reason that would have happened in that manner if WWE wasn't forced to do it.
Best guess: See ya in 30 days. This is another one that couldn't be more obvious. On another note, let's hope Matthews finally learns. I can't believe he was listed here, I really can't.
Adam "Edge" Copeland. He's in the Shane Helms boat. Losing a month's pay when you are rehabbing sure has to be considered a lot less embarrassing than getting sent home.
Best guess: See ya when the injury heals.
Suspension List Update: If you assume that the injured Copeland and Helms were suspended, that is nine of the 11.
New York Daily News:
The News had many of the men listed on Sports Illustrated's list so let's look at the other names that they had.
Robert "King Booker" Huffman: He didn't work Saturday's house show and did not appear on Raw last night. That seems very telling. The Raw workers are headed to South Africa, where Booker and his wife Sharmell were set to get married again. If he is indeed on the list, it will be interesting to see if he goes to Africa anyway.
Best guess: If the rumors are true and Booker chooses to walk away from WWE if he was told he was going to be suspended, I would be shocked. I think in the end, a cooler head would prevail. So I say, see ya in 30 days.
Anthony "Santino Marella" Carelli: He didn't fare very well at TV last night, that's for sure. But, he wasn't totally written out either. So, this could be going either way.
Best guess: This one is 50/50.
Suspension List Update: This brings us up to at least 10, and maybe all 11 of the list.
ESPN:
Dave "Batista" Bautista. He is in the Smackdown main event next month and was very angry to have his name mentioned in this scandal. He has threatened legal action. It sure looks like ESPN got this one wrong to me.
Best guess: He should have never been mentioned in the first place and that isn't a guess.
Chris "Masters" Mordetsky. It would appear that the last suspension would be either him or Santino Marella. He didn't get any TV time so it's hard to say either way. Since ESPN seems to have erred in listing Batista, it's possible that they did with him as well.
Best guess: This one is 50/50.
Suspension List Update: Masters is either number 11 or not on it.
Also released, but not named:
Nick "Eugene" Dinsmore. This doesn't appear to have anything to do directly with the Signature scandal since Dinsmore was sitting in a talent meeting and was released suddenly.
Cryme Tyme. Mike covered their release on his hotline today. Again, this wasn't a Signature issue.
The message being sent here with the firing of these three men is that now is the time for all of the wrestlers to toe the line and not cause any problems, of any kind. Those are words everyone in the company better heed because with the Congressional hearings coming up later this month, WWE has to be squeaky clean going forward, McMahon bravado notwithstanding.
It's a new day in WWE and things will not be going back to the way that they were any time soon. WWE is sending their workers a very clear message about the company's new culture. Now, it's up to the workers to hear it.
END SPOILERS
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 3, 2007 15:36:16 GMT -5
Karma is biting Kennedy in the behind BIG TIME, and he brought it all on himself. As for Batista, he may not have been listed but you know he's obviously taking something so he needs to lay low instead of running around trying to sue people.
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Post by Da (No Sold) 7-1-3 Itch on Sept 3, 2007 16:26:23 GMT -5
Has this been posted yet? I'm too lazy to ruffle through all these countless pages Caution It's **Spoilered** All Over
-Some More Space To Avert Your Eyes-
Wade Keller of the Pro Wrestling Torch is reporting that Chris Masters is indeed a part of the suspension list. He didn't appear at the SmackDown taping on Saturday night. ESPN.com reported on Thursday that Chris Masters was a client of the busted Signature pharmacy firm, but his name was never implicated in the article by SportsIllustrated. Masters will be out of action for 60 days because he is a second-time Wellness Policy offender. Masters' first suspension took place in late May 2006 due to a problem with painkillers. If Masters violates the policy just one more time, he will be subject to termination from the company
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Post by mysterydriver on Sept 3, 2007 18:44:58 GMT -5
Daggone, Masters! He was improving and now he has a foot out the door.
Sigh...
Welcome to my smarkiest comments in monthes: "I blame Triple H for this."
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 3, 2007 20:14:00 GMT -5
Booker's complete disappearance is really odd. Either he's going to leave the company, he's suspended and for whatever reason they didn't feel like explaining it, or they're deliberately holding him of TV and shows for some reason (he's Vince's son?).
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Post by franchisedavis on Sept 3, 2007 22:49:20 GMT -5
So it said Batista was in the main event and now he isn't for Smackdown. Does that mean he might be suspended? He isn't mentioned on the Unforgiven Card as of now
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Post by uuuuumaaaaagaaaaa on Sept 4, 2007 0:00:41 GMT -5
At least Kennedy won't be jobbing to Triple H his first night back on Raw, and now I won't be thinking of Angrymarks.com I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that. =)
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Post by Goon on Sept 4, 2007 7:56:18 GMT -5
I don't know, if anyone has posted this yet, but here's what Lance Storm posted over at sormwrestling.com about this topic :
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