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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 26, 2007 4:47:49 GMT -5
I looked at RD's induction, and while I agree with pretty much everyone of them (including that of IRS and Double J, despite being played to perfection), but this one here, not too much. And it's not just that. I think in general, the whole point of the Zombie was totally lost in translation with everyone who got it. Kinda like the Mexicools when they started. If you actually watched their first promo, and listen to their entrance music, they are actually dressing up like the stereotypes as almost a rebellion, almost like, if that's what you think we are, we'll be that and be assholes and shove it in your face.
The concept of the Zombie is actually an original ECW concept that was put in the new ECW. Back in the day, Paul Heyman would book really stupid things in ECW that the fans would hate, and then 911's music would start playing, and he'd beat the crap out of whoever was in the ring. Like, Santa Clause at the ECW arena. Obviously never going to get over, so 911 came out and bet the crap out of Santa.
Basically, the only difference between the original ECW and the new ECW when it came to the Zombie was The Sandman replaced 911. While the episode was infamously bad, The Zombie wasn't one of the reasons for that.
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on Oct 26, 2007 4:54:38 GMT -5
I think nowadays a lot of those points are lost. Everything is taken so seriously now that when an obviously outrageous idea comes along people react like it's supposed to be serious.
Sandman beating up all those characters was one of the most entertaining parts of the new ECW beginning. It was absurd and it was entertaining, and that was it's whole point. Took no less than 5 minutes and made Sandman a fun character to watch.
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Post by KingPopper on Oct 26, 2007 6:24:30 GMT -5
Macho Libre > Jay Lethal
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Post by lovingway on Oct 26, 2007 8:08:28 GMT -5
Macho Libre=Next week's induction |
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 26, 2007 8:26:24 GMT -5
Macho Libre=Next week's induction Say everything twice. Say everything twice. I'd mark. |
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Post by Se7en: Horse That Wrote Poems on Oct 26, 2007 9:17:42 GMT -5
It's very true that the point of the Zombie was TOTALLY lost on all the smarks in the audience who see the integrity of wrestling nowadays as life and death. I got it, and i also thought i remember hearing about WWE (namely the Heyman-led contingent) revolting against Sci-Fi by having dumb, "sci-fi" inspired gimmicks (Thorn), spoofs (Zombie, Macho Libre), etc for Sandman to beat up and to pander to the execs. This was to buck the supposed edict passed down from Sci Fi to have a sci-fi edge to the product on their sci-fi network.
Am i making that all up or did i hear that??
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Post by Cheeba on Oct 26, 2007 9:23:47 GMT -5
It's very true that the point of the Zombie was TOTALLY lost on all the smarks in the audience who see the integrity of wrestling nowadays as life and death. I got it, and i also thought i remember hearing about WWE (namely the Heyman-led contingent) revolting against Sci-Fi by having dumb, "sci-fi" inspired gimmicks (Thorn), spoofs (Zombie, Macho Libre), etc for Sandman to beat up and to pander to the execs. This was to buck the supposed edict passed down from Sci Fi to have a sci-fi edge to the product on their sci-fi network. Am i making that all up or did i hear that?? You are not making it up. In fact, I loved the Zombie segment because of the fact that it made fun of the Sci Fi network. That being said though, it shouldn't have been the first "match" of the new ECW. They should have kicked it off with a 4-5 star match to show people (casual fans especially) that the new ECW was something worth watching. |
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Post by wwerules60 on Oct 26, 2007 9:41:34 GMT -5
I was thinking of posting this last night, I totally agree. If you listen to Styles he would always say that Sandman just caned a big pile of "Sports Entertainment". They were trying to be different with ECW but it didn't exactly pan out.
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Post by default on Oct 26, 2007 11:55:25 GMT -5
Well, I didn't mind the induction. I understand RD's viewpoint... I mean the new ECW and who's the first person to come down the aisle for a match?
I just think they really should've opened the show with something other than a squash match.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Oct 26, 2007 12:56:03 GMT -5
I don't think it should of been a full induction, but rather a jobber of the week or wierd world of wrestling. I, too "got it" when it happened, and thought it was great. When the Zombie came in, 911 was the first person I thought of.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Oct 26, 2007 13:19:19 GMT -5
It's very true that the point of the Zombie was TOTALLY lost on all the smarks in the audience who see the integrity of wrestling nowadays as life and death. I got it, and i also thought i remember hearing about WWE (namely the Heyman-led contingent) revolting against Sci-Fi by having dumb, "sci-fi" inspired gimmicks (Thorn), spoofs (Zombie, Macho Libre), etc for Sandman to beat up and to pander to the execs. This was to buck the supposed edict passed down from Sci Fi to have a sci-fi edge to the product on their sci-fi network. Am i making that all up or did i hear that?? I definitely remember hearing that Zombie was part of the show because the channel execs wanted sci-fi content. What makes this funny is that supposedly, the original idea was for Sandman to cane a Martian, but Sci-Fi nixed that idea. I think Tommy Dreamer mentioned this in one of the early issues of the revamped WWE Magazine. |
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Post by Blindkarevik on Oct 26, 2007 13:23:04 GMT -5
You have to figure that Vince, most likely, learned the most about ECW by watching the WWE-produced "Rise And Fall Of ECW"... and since they paid special attention to ECW making fun of TNN at the tail end of the disc, Vince naturally must have figured that's definitely an ECW trademark and should belong on Sci-Fi.
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Oct 26, 2007 14:22:53 GMT -5
Ahhh the zombie, as the first official Zombie Mark and the leader of the ZWO which was formed thanks to the Zombie where would my life be with out the Zombie. I still be Marzvon (big zombie cool) Instead of the smart DR I have become thanks to the Zombie....
For old time sakes
ZWO ZWO ZWO!!!!!
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Post by Branimal on Oct 26, 2007 14:28:56 GMT -5
Does anyone else feel that WWE made ECW go the way it is rather than re-vert back to its old ways as it would eventually eclipse RAW as the most exciting and popular show to watch (not that RAW is either of those two things..but that's what WWE tries to do with it)?
I often feel this way..then I start to wonder if they actually feel that way then why did they bring it back in the first place? Couldn't they just make up another show? Did they just whore out the name?
...Irregardless..I still enjoy watching ECW..as long as I don't remember what it used to be.
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Post by J-Man R. on Oct 26, 2007 14:42:22 GMT -5
Macho Libre=Baldie Tony Devito
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Post by joeman on Oct 26, 2007 15:04:20 GMT -5
Does anyone else feel that WWE made ECW go the way it is rather than re-vert back to its old ways as it would eventually eclipse RAW as the most exciting and popular show to watch (not that RAW is either of those two things..but that's what WWE tries to do with it)? I often feel this way..then I start to wonder if they actually feel that way then why did they bring it back in the first place? Couldn't they just make up another show? Did they just whore out the name? ...Irregardless..I still enjoy watching ECW..as long as I don't remember what it used to be. If that was the case, than the old ECW would have gotten higher ratings than RAW back in it's heyday. All because you enjoy the old ECW over RAW doesn't mean it would have higher ratings or buyrates. |
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