Will WWE ever induct ULTIMATE WARRIOR into the HOF

[plushtar]

coksf said:

mrcynic said:

As I said he was the gold standard heel... I only meant during his active career though... The gimmick itself is one of the best ever created... In fact, McMahon himself said if he were a wrestler, that would be the gimmick he would give himself. I used 80s and 90s in reference to DiBiase's wrestling career, not the longevity of the gimmick. Sorry for not clarifying that in my last post.

I understand that Dibiase was a fantastic heel, but lets face it - the kids wanted to buy Hogan and Warrior merchandise. They wanted to see Dibiase get the crap kicked out of him.

A crazy loon that charges to the ring, huffing and puffing, wasn't heard of before, I don't think.

By that logic, DiBiase sold tickets for different reasons. Fans were hoping that this was the day that a babyface would finally put down DiBiase. I feel that DiBiase does deserve recognition by the Hall of Fame just like Warrior. Why not kill two birds with one stone, and just induct them both in the same year. On top of all of that, induct Slick, Macho Man, and Jake Roberts.

[The Thread Barbi]

plushtar said:

coksf said:

I understand that Dibiase was a fantastic heel, but lets face it - the kids wanted to buy Hogan and Warrior merchandise. They wanted to see Dibiase get the crap kicked out of him.

A crazy loon that charges to the ring, huffing and puffing, wasn't heard of before, I don't think.

By that logic, DiBiase sold tickets for different reasons. Fans were hoping that this was the day that a babyface would finally put down DiBiase. I feel that DiBiase does deserve recognition by the Hall of Fame just like Warrior. Why not kill two birds with one stone, and just induct them both in the same year. On top of all of that, induct Slick, Macho Man, and Jake Roberts.

Yes, Dibiase's reverse logic for selling tickets is true as well. However, if we induct everyone you mentioned, it will mean the WWE doing something impossible - putting aside their egos and doing what the fans want!

[Schemer]

I remember Warrior made his 1992 run around that time I was about four and watched every week. The guy didn't impress me then, and that was just a four year old kid who loved wrestling. I thought the guy was a freak at the time, and was glad he was gone when he was. In fact, he might've terrified me, although I don't remember any instances of that. I always liked DiBiase though... Even though he was a bad guy.

Hogan was also out, even though I loved Hulk Hogan as a small child, so I think the first guy I ever truly got behind was Savage. Then of course, the Hitman was awesome. Both my brother (Who wrestles in high school now, and he absolutely hates wrestling now) and I still mark for Bret... Maybe it's just Warrior's timing. I remember him in 1995, and I thought... This clown's back?...

[The Thread Barbi]

mrcynic said:

I remember Warrior made his 1992 run around that time I was about four and watched every week. The guy didn't impress me then, and that was just a four year old kid who loved wrestling. I thought the guy was a freak at the time, and was glad he was gone when he was. In fact, he might've terrified me, although I don't remember any instances of that. I always liked DiBiase though... Even though he was a bad guy.

Hogan was also out, even though I loved Hulk Hogan as a small child, so I think the first guy I ever truly got behind was Savage. Then of course, the Hitman was awesome. Both my brother (Who wrestles in high school now, and he absolutely hates wrestling now) and I still mark for Bret... Maybe it's just Warrior's timing. I remember him in 1995, and I thought... This clown's back?...

As a hardcore Warrior mark, I must say 1992 was absolutely horrible year for a Warrior fan. Save for the Summerslam 92 match, he was just terrible. Losing the roided body just killed the character. He was the "crazy, skinny guy" for me.

[Branimal]

DiBiase and Warrior hold equal footing in that era of wrestling..although the two were not in a program together (at least, I don't think so)..

Faces are never as good as they can be without an adequate heel to make them look strong..and vice versa.

[plushtar]

branimal said:

DiBiase and Warrior hold equal footing in that era of wrestling..although the two were not in a program together (at least, I don't think so)..

Faces are never as good as they can be without an adequate heel to make them look strong..and vice versa.

They had two matches on Saturday Night's Main Event. In late 1990, Warrior gave DiBiase a title shot, in which the Macho King interfered. And one more time just before the Survivor Series 92, where he teamed up with the Macho Man to go against Money Inc. where they were jumped by Heenan's friends. As the program was going off the air, Vince McMahon states that he just heard a rumor that one of the Ultimate Maniacs will not make it to Survivor Series.

[General Zod]

I just want to hear the Warrior's acceptance speech.

SPEAK TO ME WARRRYAAARS!!!!!

You all well know that I am a 47 year old straight, male who's had the most INTENSE and unique career and life experiences that one could possibly live through in a day and age where things aren't so black and white anymore. I was born into this world not knowing what the outcome of my destiny would be, but knowing that somehow, unequivocally, and undeniably, I would be destined for something great. And how fitting is it for me, now, more than ever, your founding father of ring intensity, to be bestowed this accolade before the Warriors on high and before the Ultimate judge, jury and executioner? Would you consider anything less that that from me? That which I single handedly fought for, and so eloquently spoke of while still being able to portray the heroism of life through the destrucity of unequal paths to the same place and pay serious attention to many issues such as any concerned husband and father might when it comes to what is going on today's cultural, political, and social environments?

I thought not.

This is why I am here, today, speaking to you all. I express my opinions in a mature, bold, blunt, and politically-incorrect fashion. In true 'Warriror' fashion, where the lines of reality cannot be blurred by a news media desparate to hide the truth; the truth in faculty that while mere men simply attempt to grasp the truths they seek, only I could be so bold as to speak it, and speak it in such a manner that makes liars out of naysayers and strikes fear into the primal chord of mankind's ultimate destiny, where 'they' no longer make the choice; rather, the choice is made for them.

Since the beginig of time, there has always ever been only one true Warrior. The man you see before you, so proudly poised to take the glory of his manhood - and make no mistake about it, I am not, nor have I ever been 'confused' about my gender' - that sort of thing just doesn't make the world go 'round; so poingnant, even in today's society run amok, where there can be only one man daring enough to delicately slice the perils of imorral lifestyle and rancid mischaracterizations of what society should look like, you only need know - there can be only one!

I beleive this award to be a symbol. A symbol so symbolic in nature that to ignore it's very symbolism would be a waste of precious time, fine crafted, yet delicate, cursive engraving, and the over-use of a logo long since gone and dead since my day as the strongest force in the universe. But I shall still try to pontificate as best I can my immense grattitude to the Warriors for always beleiving. And certainly not to that vile pondscum in Conneticut; misbeleivers of the real truth, and cowards to the fact that a man who could create such a gimmick would not still have the intesity and the integrity of a truly moral man, to accept this as an offering of peace, or as a means to purchase the very soul of what is construed as the only pure thing left in the entire world? I laugh at the very notion that these self-righetous, indignant, sychopants who continue to rue the day they ever crossed paths with the well forged philosophy that is what we, united and undetered, stand for across this entire state of ubereuphoria. It is for those reasons, above all else that I accept this award. Not for the vanity of a sick, twisted man's vision to herald in an era of revisionist history, or for unscrupulous monetary gain. Oh no. I do so to preserve the very thought of chaos where there need not ever be; to remain superflous in the name of true guidance; to live and die by the example one sets, undeniably, indisputably, and indifferently, the ideal that like it or not, believe it or not, accept the reality of it or not, nothing is more clear: One cannot do what one is not capable of. Ex nihilo nihil fit (Nothing is created from nothing).

WARRRRYAAARRR!!!!

*cue music*

[Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers]

coksf said:

I appreciate your honesty in this response. William Perry wasn't even a wrestler. He was a one-off NFL celebrity contestant at Wrestlemania 2's battle royale event. A glorious NFL career? Yes. But having precedence over a wrestler in a wrestling company's HOF, however skilled/unskilled that wrestler may be? No.

Wow. Yeah, I gotta agree that's a bull**** induction then.

Putting aside your personal bias of Warrior, can you explain why Greg Valentine's in ring accomplishments overshadow the Ultimate Warrior's? "Workrate" you say? Did Valentine headline Wrestlemania, or sellout a 80,000 seat arena? I don't understand why none of these do not factor into HOF criteria.

Fair enough. But if you count that, why not also count the fact the guy has little to no respect for the business? I mean, to show up at a PPV and threaten to no show unless Vince gives him a giant wad of cash... My God. How can you explain that except for saying he was a greedy bastard with no respect for the fans and no respect for the business? Why should he get any respect in return?

Answering your two questions:

Warrior did not merely hold the titles. At the time, he defeated Hulkamania at the peak of its popularity, scripted or not, this is a significant achievement...not throw-away title victories like Sid's (as much as I hate to say this, his two reigns were the result of an HBK tantrum), or even like IWC darling CM Punk's (who isn't HOF deserving at this point in his career).

That's true, but it's also true that he failed in the role as "the next Hogan." They handed it to him on a silvery platter, giving him a push just as big and letting him beat Hogan clean, they even gave him almost a year with the title to make it work. But he just couldn't. So yes, he accomplished something huge but he also failed in the overall goal of giving him that accomplishment. And it wasn't because creative had him watching Stephanie's dog or anything, it was because he couldn't entertain the fans enough.

Comparing Warrior the person to Chris Benoit the person, is atrocious.

Well, we're all entitled to our opinion. My personal opinion is that a guy who gave everything for the fans and the business and sustained a brain injury because of this, which caused him to do something terrible is more deserving of respect than a guy who has a long track record of being a deplorable human being.

[wolfmoon103100]

warrior=Brock? Gave to much too soon.

[Zutroy]

Warrior does belong there for probably the most memorable Wrestlemania Main event there will ever be.

[Garee]

I don't think theres a chance

[Kevin Hamilton]

Not without masive concessions on either side, not limited to the outcome of the pending lawsuit. So right now, nope.

This is a first that I've heard Benoit called a better person than Warrior, at least since the whole murder thing. I can't agree with that. Warrior appears to be a d-bag, but as yet hasn't killed a child.

[Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers]

jackrabbitslim said:

Not without masive concessions on either side, not limited to the outcome of the pending lawsuit. So right now, nope.

This is a first that I've heard Benoit called a better person than Warrior, at least since the whole murder thing. I can't agree with that. Warrior appears to be a d-bag, but as yet hasn't killed a child.

... Well, took a half hour. Longer than I thought it'd take for the obligatory "he killed a child" post. Like I said, it's an opinion. Personally I don't hold the severely mentally ill accountable for their actions. Hellwig has no mitigating circumstances. He's just a horrible person.

[Main Event Mark]

plushtar said:

branimal said:

DiBiase and Warrior hold equal footing in that era of wrestling..although the two were not in a program together (at least, I don't think so)..

Faces are never as good as they can be without an adequate heel to make them look strong..and vice versa.

They had two matches on Saturday Night's Main Event. In late 1990, Warrior gave DiBiase a title shot, in which the Macho King interfered.

I have this match. The best part was Macho's run in. He came across as a total lunatic.

[Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers]

toht said:

veladus said:

... Well, took a half hour. Longer than I thought it'd take for the obligatory "he killed a child" post. Like I said, it's an opinion. Personally I don't hold the severely mentally ill accountable for their actions. Hellwig has no mitigating circumstances. He's just a horrible person.

Until they crack open Warrior's head, I don't think you can make that assumption.

Again, he has his good points and his bad points, depends on how well you're willing to accept the ladder.

What, so now we're just assuming that every hatemonger is brain damaged now? Are you kidding me? There's no evidence at all that Warrior has anything wrong with him. Maybe his daddy didn't hug him enough or something, but that hardly qualifies.

Good points? Please, let's hear them. That story about sending someone some merchandise is literally the first good thing I have ever heard about him. Then again, I've heard that Hitler was an animal lover, so I suppose everyone has to have some good points.

[Kevin Hamilton]

veladus said:

jackrabbitslim said:

Not without masive concessions on either side, not limited to the outcome of the pending lawsuit. So right now, nope.

This is a first that I've heard Benoit called a better person than Warrior, at least since the whole murder thing. I can't agree with that. Warrior appears to be a d-bag, but as yet hasn't killed a child.

... Well, took a half hour. Longer than I thought it'd take for the obligatory "he killed a child" post. Like I said, it's an opinion. Personally I don't hold the severely mentally ill accountable for their actions. Hellwig has no mitigating circumstances. He's just a horrible person.

No problem, we agree to disagree.

[bagsley]

I want TNA to start a hall of fame, and induct all the people WWE wont.

[HMARK Center]

Warrior was big for, literally, less than four years.

Before that, he wasn't known for much of anything, not in terms of character, workrate, or anything. After that, he was known simply for speculation over there being a "second Warrior", and for being in a hideous storyline with Hogan in WCW.

No way should he be in.

EDIT: Also, I don't think any of us are qualified to say we truly know the minds of either Benoit or Warrior, but totally putting aside the actual people in question, I'll usually give a mentally unhealthy person a bit of a pass on seemingly evil acts (its reality, some people simply aren't mentally stable/in control/whatever), but I have little use for hatemongers.
Not excusing either man for anything either did, mind you.

[Loki]

Warrior should be in HoF, wheter it was a "legit" selection of the Greatest in the history of (WWF/E owned) pro-wrestling or just a mixed bag of important Superstars, beloved midcarders and random guys who were on WWF/E TV at some point in time.

Regardless of all the bad press he's been getting for his not-so-professional behaviour in WWF, Ultimate Warrior was the only man who could compete with Hulk Hogan in terms of popularity in 1989-1990.
The fact he pinned the Hulkster, at WrestleMania, CLEANLY, speaks volumes about his popularity ...
Nobody, and I repeat, NOBODY, came closer to surpassing Hogan in terms of overness and support than the Warrior.

Savage was over, but he was portrayed as Hogan's ally, friend, and ultimately, his creature. Hogan "blessed" Savage's title win at WMIV, and tagged with him to validate him more. Til he got "his" belt back.

The original plan was probably having Warrior keeping the belt, but the way his rise to the top had been booked killed Warrior's reign... After he defeated the Immortal, the Legend, what was left for him to do?

His second stint was still great, but cut short due to his unprofessionalism. The third one was meh.

But for his three years on the top of WWF, Warrior should be in the HoF.

[CosmicPool]

No, like it said, macho man has a better chance. Probably Manly Man Ricky Ravage has a better chance then Ultimate Warrior. Kudos to whoever actually knows what I'm talking about.