Will WWE ever induct ULTIMATE WARRIOR into the HOF

[tna]

After that DVD they released on him I don't see it happening any time soon.

[Jason Todd Grisham]

I'm sure Vince would love to induct Warrior Warrior. After all, he wanted him involved in the DVD before it became a hatchet job.

Warrior Warrior couldn't care less however.

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toht said:

Personally I'd rather see Macho Man, considering he was much much more popular from what I remember.

Savage had career longevity, hence is remembered more. But please do not confuse this with popularity. By Summerslam 89, Ultimate Warrior was more popular than Hulk Hogan, and thus the most popular man in the WWF. I don't think Savage reached those heights - perhaps he was second or third in terms of popularity, never first.

To answer s l i k's question, its interesting. If the WWE HOF was something legit, or kept its credibility, I would have said no. Sure Warrior was World champion and insanely over, but much better competitors belonged in it.

But since the WWE HOF is what it is, Warrior deserves to be in it - he's more qualified than a few of the HOF members, in terms of in-ring achievement, popularity, drawing money etc.

But Warrior sees it as a sham and has stated he will never accept a place in the WWE HOF. Not in his lifetime I guess.

[Corporate H]

"Anything can happen in the WWF/E."

[The Missing Manic]

I wouldnt be surprsed if he accepted it if asked he seems a bit mad

[Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers]

Hell, I'd rather see Benoit inducted than Warrior. I'd rather see them build a HoF build and then a meteor shower annihilate it than see Warrior inducted. Mercifully, WWE probably has the same outlook.

[BxB]

It's up to Warrior himself, really. Vince would love the publicity a Warrior induction would bring in but Warrior seems pretty bitter. The chances look very slim to me.

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veladus said:

Hell, I'd rather see Benoit inducted than Warrior. I'd rather see them build a HoF build and then a meteor shower annihilate it than see Warrior inducted. Mercifully, WWE probably has the same outlook.

Could the outcome of Wrestlemania 12 have influenced your opinion, Veladus, Triple H Mark?

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coksf said:

veladus said:

Hell, I'd rather see Benoit inducted than Warrior. I'd rather see them build a HoF build and then a meteor shower annihilate it than see Warrior inducted. Mercifully, WWE probably has the same outlook.

Could the outcome of Wrestlemania 12 have influenced your opinion, Veladus, Triple H Mark?

No, hearing what Warrior says and does in real life influenced my opinion. He's a racist, homophobic, drug abusing, blackmailing lunatic that I wouldn't spit on if he were on fire. The man has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Even if you say his personal life doesn't matter, his matches were mostly garbage anyway. Whenever he got a decent match it was because he was carried. He had fewer moves than Goldberg and his promos ranged from "meh" to threats of terrorism (see: "Hogan, I'm gonna hijack your plane and crash it before WMVI" promo).

In short, no one should be inducted just by virtue of having a massive push at one point in time.

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veladus said:

coksf said:

Could the outcome of Wrestlemania 12 have influenced your opinion, Veladus, Triple H Mark?

In short, no one should be inducted just by virtue of having a massive push at one point in time.

Well ignoring the other stuff because I don't feel like debating Warrior's good (apparently non-existent) points and bad points as a person, how do you explain existing inductees like Pete Rose, William Perry, Tony Atlas, Greg Valentine and Eddie Guerrero (well, only because he died is my answer to that) as more justified to be in the HOF, than a former IC and World champion?

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coksf said:

veladus said:

In short, no one should be inducted just by virtue of having a massive push at one point in time.

Well ignoring the other stuff because I don't feel like debating Warrior's good (apparently non-existent) points and bad points as a person, how do you explain existing inductees like Pete Rose, William Perry, Tony Atlas, Greg Valentine and Eddie Guerrero (well, only because he died is my answer to that) as more justified to be in the HOF, than a former IC and World champion?

I'm not familiar with Perry and Atlas. Either before my time or in feds I haven't seen. Rose I agree shouldn't have been inducted, but it was more of a media attention scam than an honest induction. Valentine I don't think was HoF material (but then again I only caught the end of his career at my age), but I'd certainly put him above Warrior. Guerrero... wow. Eddie Guerrero > Warrior a thousand times over.

Two questions though. First, are you saying that merely holding a couple titles is enough to get you into the HoF? EVERYONE that's held them should get in? Second, are you forgetting that Guerrero also held said titles, plus more?

[willywonka666]

Warrior should be, but He probably wouldn't attend, and everyone would trash him-which is an asshole thing to do on the E's part

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veladus said:

coksf said:

Well ignoring the other stuff because I don't feel like debating Warrior's good (apparently non-existent) points and bad points as a person, how do you explain existing inductees like Pete Rose, William Perry, Tony Atlas, Greg Valentine and Eddie Guerrero (well, only because he died is my answer to that) as more justified to be in the HOF, than a former IC and World champion?

I'm not familiar with Perry and Atlas. Either before my time or in feds I haven't seen. Rose I agree shouldn't have been inducted, but it was more of a media attention scam than an honest induction. Valentine I don't think was HoF material (but then again I only caught the end of his career at my age), but I'd certainly put him above Warrior. Guerrero... wow. Eddie Guerrero > Warrior a thousand times over.

Two questions though. First, are you saying that merely holding a couple titles is enough to get you into the HoF? EVERYONE that's held them should get in? Second, are you forgetting that Guerrero also held said titles, plus more?

I appreciate your honesty in this response. William Perry wasn't even a wrestler. He was a one-off NFL celebrity contestant at Wrestlemania 2's battle royale event. A glorious NFL career? Yes. But having precedence over a wrestler in a wrestling company's HOF, however skilled/unskilled that wrestler may be? No.

Putting aside your personal bias of Warrior, can you explain why Greg Valentine's in ring accomplishments overshadow the Ultimate Warrior's? "Workrate" you say? Did Valentine headline Wrestlemania, or sellout a 80,000 seat arena? I don't understand why none of these do not factor into HOF criteria.

Answering your two questions:

Warrior did not merely hold the titles. At the time, he defeated Hulkamania at the peak of its popularity, scripted or not, this is a significant achievement...not throw-away title victories like Sid's (as much as I hate to say this, his two reigns were the result of an HBK tantrum), or even like IWC darling CM Punk's (who isn't HOF deserving at this point in his career).

Eddie Guerrero was no doubt Hall of Fame bound, but his untimely death brought about a premature induction, IMO. Had he lived, he'd no doubt still be headlining Wrestlemania. He should have been inducted a few years down the road. And no, Eddie was NEVER as popular as the Ultimate Warrior. In fact, non-wrestling fans hadn't heard of him until he died, unlike the Warrior, who was a household name like Hulk Hogan.

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As for Warrior the person, you apparently only know his public side. I am friends with someone who is a Warrior fan and became a father around the same time Warrior did. He emailed Warrior, stating his fandom and fatherhood, and Warrior asked for his mailing address. Warrior then sent my friend autographed Warrior memrobilia, at no cost, as a gift for his new-born.

Comparing Warrior the person to Chris Benoit the person, is atrocious.

[Back to being Cenanuff]

There's a lot of fences that have to be mended on both sides, and both his and Vince's egos are too huge to make the first move. So, no, I think Savage has a better chance...but only after he smacks that punk HHH and takes his weeemen for a ride around the block.

[EvilMasterBetty, Esq.]

Considering Warrior has a lawsuit pending in Fed. court, than no, it will never happen. Warrior would never agree to it anyway, and we know Vince would never induct guys against their will, or else we would have gotten Bruno in the HOF.

[Mr. Mediocre]

No...and I don't think the Warrior cares, either.

[AriadosMan]

Does Savage have a multimillion defamation suit against McMahon?
Does that answer your question?

[valiens]

Wait, shouldn't the Hall of Fame be about the inductees' contribution to the industry, not about whether Vince likes them or gets along with them?

[Mr. Mediocre]

valiens said:

Wait, shouldn't the Hall of Fame be about the inductees' contribution to the industry, not about whether Vince likes them or gets along with them?

It should be.

But it isn't.

[Erik Majorwitz]

I'd rather see Savage vs Warrior again, but instead of a Retirement Match, make it a "Winner Gets into the WWE HOF" Match.