The F'N Captain
King Koopa
I was captain **** till Captain America Beat the crap out of me and left me in a dumpster
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Post by The F'N Captain on Nov 3, 2007 21:10:46 GMT -5
Cable ownership had nothing to do with that; WCW was able to announce the results of WWF events because WCW aired its shows live, whereas the WWF taped their shows and had them aired after the fact. When the shows were live against each other, Bischoff kept an eye on RAW and was able to determine when he would go to commercial break because they owned the network. He was also able to go on air a few minutes earlier than RAW to give away the results on weeks they weren't both live. Most wrestling fans would rather of watched the first few minutes of Nitro than the ending of Murder She Wrote. I think both Vince and Bischoff did some underhanded things. I mean it's big business, there are always questionable tactics. Was WCW trying to "kill" WWE? Of course, it was a literal "war" to them. Was Vince trying to create a damn near monopoly in the late 80's early 90's? Of course. Just because he didn't do it maliciously doesn't mean it wasn't rather vicious when he more or less destroyed the established territory system.
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Tapout
Hank Scorpio
WWE Creative(TM)
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Post by Tapout on Nov 3, 2007 21:46:23 GMT -5
The guy has crapped on MMA several times, yet the company has now instituted tapout submissions as part of regular matches. He also hired Severn and Shamrock.
Does he sometimes talk out of both sides of his mouth? Sure, when there's money to be made. Nothing new here.
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Randy Barber 4-Life
Hank Scorpio
I have received an email from RAW's anonymous General Manager. And I quote: "No play for Mr. Gray!"
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Nov 4, 2007 0:32:04 GMT -5
I want to make it clear my earlier comments in this thread were just that, comments and observations, not necessarily criticism. My main point was that whatever McMahon may or may not think in his personal life, in his business life he likely doesn't give a crap about any perceived hypocrisy, as long as it advances his company. A question about Bischoff though, I can honestly only remember one time he gave results for RAW, and that was when Foley won the title. Are their others I just don't remember?
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 4, 2007 6:58:35 GMT -5
Hogan was a free agent when he signed with the WWF. He was released from the AWA when he decided to appear in Rocky III, and Vince offered him a contract after.
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Hiroshi Hase
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The Good Ol' Days
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 4, 2007 7:01:54 GMT -5
I want to make it clear my earlier comments in this thread were just that, comments and observations, not necessarily criticism. My main point was that whatever McMahon may or may not think in his personal life, in his business life he likely doesn't give a crap about any perceived hypocrisy, as long as it advances his company. A question about Bischoff though, I can honestly only remember one time he gave results for RAW, and that was when Foley won the title. Are their others I just don't remember? He did it quite a few times in 1995 and 96.
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Post by Ridley on Nov 4, 2007 7:05:21 GMT -5
I wonder why he won't try to steal talent from TNA. Because 90% of TNA's talent has already worked for him and he's gotten all he wants of of them. And WWE/ECW gets free advertising from most of them on a microphone anyway.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Nov 4, 2007 9:47:32 GMT -5
I want to make it clear my earlier comments in this thread were just that, comments and observations, not necessarily criticism. My main point was that whatever McMahon may or may not think in his personal life, in his business life he likely doesn't give a crap about any perceived hypocrisy, as long as it advances his company. A question about Bischoff though, I can honestly only remember one time he gave results for RAW, and that was when Foley won the title. Are their others I just don't remember? Yeah he did on the first episode right off the bat with the famous quote, "Shawn Michaels beats up the big guy with three superklicks. Stay Here. Its Live".
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Post by darthpipes on Nov 4, 2007 10:37:23 GMT -5
I don't get why people hate on Vince (or Bischoff) for the way they did business. In the world of business you can be one of two things: an asshole, or broke. I don't hate the way they did business. Business is business. My only problem is Vince's hypocracy. He put the territories out of business by any means neccessary. But when WCW used the same tactics on him, he cried like a little bitch to anyone who would listen. If you're going to use any means neccesary on your opponents, then you can't whine like a little bitch when they respond in kind.
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Post by perpetualn00b on Nov 4, 2007 14:57:35 GMT -5
Of course you can. That's what business is all about.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Nov 4, 2007 15:25:12 GMT -5
I don't get why people hate on Vince (or Bischoff) for the way they did business. In the world of business you can be one of two things: an asshole, or broke. Vince McMahon Sr was neither.
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Post by hutter on Nov 4, 2007 15:33:52 GMT -5
Hogan was a free agent when he signed with the WWF. He was released from the AWA when he decided to appear in Rocky III, and Vince offered him a contract after. Uh...no. Hogan was told to hit the bricks by Vince McMahon Sr. when he made it known to him that he took a role in Rocky 3. Hogan then began working for Verne Gagne. Rocky 3 was released during his AWA face run. He capitalized on his appearance in Rocky 3 during his AWA run, and that attracted Vince Jr, to sign away Hogan.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 4, 2007 20:48:16 GMT -5
The difference between what Vince did to the territories and what WCW did to WWF in the 90's?
Absolutely nothing.
It's revisionist history: the winners' get to write the book of how things went down, and WWE has that benefit.
Bischoff gave away Raw results live on air. Ok. Vince intentionally scheduled pay per views and major events to go against NWA/WCW shows, and threatened cable companies that he'd pull his product if they ran his competitor's product. Ok.
It's a scummy world, business. Vince's claim of there being "enough room under the tent" only came about because, for the first time he could remember, he was actually afraid of losing.
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