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Post by 8-BitAssassin on Nov 14, 2007 16:29:22 GMT -5
I never hated him, but he never really seemed to be a top title contender, imo. He's not horrible in the ring for a juiced up big man, but my god he needs a manager to deliver his promos for him.
All in all, I'd say he's okay. Not great, but okay.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Nov 14, 2007 17:09:22 GMT -5
When he opened his mouth AND when he showed he couldn't wrestle a match without botching horribly. But that's just my opinion. Bathturd. Sounds like Lesnar. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2007 17:20:00 GMT -5
"Basssssstard" is much more accurate. It's hard to type how he said it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2007 17:20:38 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Lashley, but if he was booked as a monster heel and had someone talking for him, he could be pretty good. Shane could get him over, and it gives him a ready made feud if he turns back. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 14, 2007 17:27:01 GMT -5
He doesn't stick out enough to be a main eventer. Doesn't have the aura of one. And that's more his fault than his gimmick, unfortunately.
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Post by Slammywinner on Nov 14, 2007 17:49:00 GMT -5
I cant speak for everyone, but heres my problem with him.... He was getting a good midcard push on Smackdown and being built up. He was doing great stuff with Finlay and others. Then all of a sudden, for no real reason, he jumps to ECW and leapfrogs everybody and wins the ECW title. Here is some midcard guy from another show coming over and being handed a World title and jumping guys who were move over and more deserving then him (RVD, Punk, Sabu, hell even Holly). Then his whole ECW title run is made up of a fued with Vince McMahon and Umaga. He had 1 feud with Test and that was about the extent of his actual ECW fueds. He was then shoved down our throats on not 1 but 2 shows. He was put in a position where he had to do a lot of mic work, which he is just not capable of doing. He essentially was getting the same push as John Cena. With the difference being Cena actually spent years in the midcard and worked his way up to the point he was so over, he had to be a main event guy. Lashley was just forced upon us into that role. He was over, but he wasnt THAT over. He should have stayed on Smackdown, and continued to work midcard-upper midcard programs for another year at least. Let him get to the point were people are demanding he be main eventing. Instead they just took him a year into his career on WWE tv and said, ok, you like Bobby Lashley a lot now because we say so! People can say what they want about John Cena, Randy Orton, and Batista. But at least those three worked their way up and were put into main event spots because the fans demanded it and it couldnt be ignored any longer. Agreed. I wanted to see Lashley vs heel Tatanka (...buffalo...) |
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Post by Zutroy on Nov 14, 2007 17:53:46 GMT -5
Lashley winning the ECW Belt made him the guy that put the final nail in the coffin of ECW and thats why I dislike him.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Nov 14, 2007 18:03:47 GMT -5
I cant speak for everyone, but heres my problem with him.... He was getting a good midcard push on Smackdown and being built up. He was doing great stuff with Finlay and others. Then all of a sudden, for no real reason, he jumps to ECW and leapfrogs everybody and wins the ECW title. Here is some midcard guy from another show coming over and being handed a World title and jumping guys who were move over and more deserving then him (RVD, Punk, Sabu, hell even Holly). Then his whole ECW title run is made up of a fued with Vince McMahon and Umaga. He had 1 feud with Test and that was about the extent of his actual ECW fueds. He was then shoved down our throats on not 1 but 2 shows. He was put in a position where he had to do a lot of mic work, which he is just not capable of doing. He essentially was getting the same push as John Cena. With the difference being Cena actually spent years in the midcard and worked his way up to the point he was so over, he had to be a main event guy. Lashley was just forced upon us into that role. He was over, but he wasnt THAT over. He should have stayed on Smackdown, and continued to work midcard-upper midcard programs for another year at least. Let him get to the point were people are demanding he be main eventing. Instead they just took him a year into his career on WWE tv and said, ok, you like Bobby Lashley a lot now because we say so! People can say what they want about John Cena, Randy Orton, and Batista. But at least those three worked their way up and were put into main event spots because the fans demanded it and it couldnt be ignored any longer. right on the money here.... |
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Post by The Curmudgeon on Nov 14, 2007 18:08:21 GMT -5
Never liked him. Sure he was big and could do some moves, but who cares? He had zero reason to make me want to see him wrestle.
I was actually glad that he went to ECW 'cos then I didn't have to see him.
A big, "aw shucks" smiling, "quietly spoken" bore. What's to like?
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Post by kitsunestar on Nov 14, 2007 18:12:12 GMT -5
When he opened his mouth AND when he showed he couldn't wrestle a match without botching horribly. But that's just my opinion. Bathturd. I thought you were describing Shelton in 2005. And honestly I don't remember him ever saying "Bathturd", but I guess it's humorous to some people. I know everyone's going to deny it, but some people just like the idea of comparing a big black bald guy they don't like to a "turd", and that's why that persists. |
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Nov 14, 2007 18:25:26 GMT -5
I started disliking Lashley when they started giving him the superman megapush where he made the entire ECW roster look like a bunch of jobbers so insignificant that he had to look to Raw for a feud. Plus he only defended the ECW title against Raw and Smackdown guys. I think his ECW title defense against Kenny Dykstra was where I finally said to myself "OK, this is getting ridiculous."
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 14, 2007 18:34:08 GMT -5
Lashley got annoying very fast because he got pushed so fast. In far less than a year, he was suddenly world champion on WWE's newest show. The guy has potential, I'd say. He should have stayed a silent monster, like Lesnar was for the first year of his WWE career. He also should have been slowly built up, not immediately made into a main eventer. His feud with Finlay wasn't bad a tall, though I disliked that he was immediately given the US title. His matches needed to be short and sweet till he became more ring capable.
The thing I actually disliked most about him was that he was pretty much a carbon copy of Lesnar. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it seemed to me that there may have been a little bit of Vince trying to rub it in Lesnar's nose. By having Lashley on the air, wearing the same type of ring attire Lesnar wore, doing essentially the same entrace, and getting pushed to the moon, Vince was trying to say "See Brock, you're replacable, and I can make a star out of anyone!" Or, at the very least, Vince was so certain he had found his new Lesnar taht he forgot to check it Lashley yet had any of Lesnar's skill. He doesn't, not yet at least.
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Post by jmac950 on Nov 14, 2007 18:48:44 GMT -5
I think Lashley's problem isn't that he's hated. It's that too many people are indifferent to him.
I am one of those people.
His music sucks, he has a lame, generic moveset for a big guy, he can't talk on the mic, his gear is vanilla and I think he looks too cartoony.
Never once has I thought to myself "Man, this show could use some more Lashley." He brings nothing to the table except his size. His push was pre-mature, and I cannot connect with him at all. I think he'd be better off as a heel. Also, if this guy is so good at wrestling, why don't we ever see wrestling moves? Seriously, I think that'd help him. Let him stand out. Put a mouth piece on him, give him non-jobber music, and give him a gimmick. Heck, play up his military career, and give him a GI Joe gimmick. Just do something with him.
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Post by Maxnificent on Nov 14, 2007 18:57:06 GMT -5
I like him (not one of my favorites, but I don't dislike him), but the short answer is "he's large."
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 14, 2007 19:09:34 GMT -5
It was starting to look like that the WWE was going to seriously persue lashley as a main eventer. That's what happenned to Lashley.
It happens to everybody.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Nov 14, 2007 19:11:27 GMT -5
I started disliking Lashley when they started giving him the superman megapush where he made the entire ECW roster look like a bunch of jobbers so insignificant that he had to look to Raw for a feud. Plus he only defended the ECW title against Raw and Smackdown guys. I think his ECW title defense against Kenny Dykstra was where I finally said to myself "OK, this is getting ridiculous." How about when he would routinely beat Tommy Dreamer and Sandman in handicap matches? Not only beat them, but squash them? |
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Post by royboy8 on Nov 14, 2007 19:16:05 GMT -5
When he started winning a lot people began saying (incorrectly) that he sucked as a wrestler, when that is just their blind hatred of anyone the writers give a push too speaking. Yes, his mic skills are really bad, but he's actually quite good in the ring.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 14, 2007 19:33:09 GMT -5
When they aborted six months worth of ECW storylines to put the belt on the guy.
Indefensible. RVD winning the belt back at December To Dismember would have resolved his long-term feud with Big Show, then McMahon could have done whatever he wanted with Lashley. Instead, he got it in his mind that he wanted Lashley as a world champ and couldn't wait two weeks to do it.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Nov 14, 2007 19:50:46 GMT -5
I only disliked him because he was about as far away from what ECW represented, even the new ECW, as you could get - and he was their world champion. Twice. With McMahon that was great heel heat. With Lashley, that was a poor champion.
In a mid-card role, I loved him. What he was doing in the 2006 Royal Rumble was f***ing great. I actually bought - and enjoyed - him beating two of my all-time favourites, Big Show and Kane, who at that point were in one of my all-time favourite tag teams.
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Post by wwefan78 on Nov 14, 2007 20:51:15 GMT -5
Reading this thread pretty much sums up why people "disklike" Lashley. Comments like "pretty good", "descent, "good for a big guy" and such boils down to the simple fact that the guy is just plain average and boring. He doesn't stand out in any way and most of us seem just indifferent to him. He can't talk, has very little charisma, can't carry a match on top of having a vanilla/non-existent gimmick and character. Easily replaceable if you ask me..
And yeah the supermanpush didn't help him a bit. There is a fine line between pushing someone just a little to get him more over and shoving the guy down our throat "forcing" us to like him..
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