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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 15, 2007 13:36:48 GMT -5
How about three separate and actually different brands? RAW: More "adult" storylines pushing the envelope with sex and violence ECW: A pure wrestling fan's show with simple storylines and focus on in-ring work Smackdown: Geared more toward kids with cartoony 80's style stories Huh? The envelope has been "pushed" so many freakin' times that nobody cares anymore. This is 2007 not 1997,you can't offend anyone because they've already heard everything. Even during the Attitude Era,they still had teenagers in mind.The Attitude Era isn't EVEN CLOSE to being as over the top as everyone thought it was.The level of profanity was a joke compared to the original ECW where wrestlers swore enough to make Richard Pryor blush,neither was the violence on the same level. Hey Attitude Era WWF was VERY violent,but it didn't come close to the utter brutality of the matches with The Gangstas,or better yet Gangstas vs Public Enemy. No fire(Except for Kane) no cheese graters,no knifes,no over the top gushing(Bill Alfonso bled like a Tarantino character) and no f-bomb tirades. ECW had them beat before their even WAS an Attitude Era. So if you think about it WWE has ALWAYS been for kids,because they could have easily pushed the envelope even further if they wanted to. |
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Post by bjboston on Nov 15, 2007 13:42:37 GMT -5
How about three separate and actually different brands? RAW: More "adult" storylines pushing the envelope with sex and violence ECW: A pure wrestling fan's show with simple storylines and focus on in-ring work Smackdown: Geared more toward kids with cartoony 80's style stories Huh? The envelope has been "pushed" so many freakin' times that nobody cares anymore. This is 2007 not 1997,you can't offend anyone because they've already heard everything. Even during the Attitude Era,they still had teenagers in mind.The Attitude Era isn't EVEN CLOSE to being as over the top as everyone thought it was.The level of profanity was a joke compared to the original ECW where wrestlers swore enough to make Richard Pryor blush,neither was the violence on the same level. Hey Attitude Era WWF was VERY violent,but it didn't come close to the utter brutality of the matches with The Gangstas,or better yet Gangstas vs Public Enemy. I don't know - people got pretty worked up over the "Vince is dead" storyline. There doesn't need to be profanity or blood to push the envelope. |
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 15, 2007 13:46:25 GMT -5
The envelope has been "pushed" so many freakin' times that nobody cares anymore. This is 2007 not 1997,you can't offend anyone because they've already heard everything. Even during the Attitude Era,they still had teenagers in mind.The Attitude Era isn't EVEN CLOSE to being as over the top as everyone thought it was.The level of profanity was a joke compared to the original ECW where wrestlers swore enough to make Richard Pryor blush,neither was the violence on the same level. Hey Attitude Era WWF was VERY violent,but it didn't come close to the utter brutality of the matches with The Gangstas,or better yet Gangstas vs Public Enemy. I don't know - people got pretty worked up over the "Vince is dead" storyline. There doesn't need to be profanity or blood to push the envelope. I found that story more corny then envelope pushing,but maybe thats just me. People got worked up over it? I always assumed their would be busy taking pot shots at it. |
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Post by tartsonawire on Nov 15, 2007 13:46:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying go back to the 92-97 dreck of "Wrestler by day, ____ by night", and slapsticky stuff with clowns and midgets and kings, but a return to the 84-91 style of storytelling (which could be family oriented without being too schlocky) wouldnt be that bad. It is true though that cena (and to a lesser extent CM Punk, and even though we dont like him here, batista) IS a good champion who doesnt rely on being "Edgy". I agree. Well put  |
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 15, 2007 13:47:57 GMT -5
I'm not saying go back to the 92-97 dreck of "Wrestler by day, ____ by night", and slapsticky stuff with clowns and midgets and kings, but a return to the 84-91 style of storytelling (which could be family oriented without being too schlocky) wouldnt be that bad. It is true though that cena (and to a lesser extent CM Punk, and even though we dont like him here, batista) IS a good champion who doesnt rely on being "Edgy". I agree. Well put Same here. 84-91 was a great era for storytelling.I would also like to see this. |
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Post by MysteryPartner on Nov 15, 2007 13:54:47 GMT -5
lashley - NO! You dirty old SOB!!
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Post by Cactus Jack on Nov 15, 2007 14:59:09 GMT -5
I wish they'd go back to Attitude-style.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 15, 2007 15:10:22 GMT -5
Sam Kinison was family entertainment. Now he's gone. It's very sad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 15:22:26 GMT -5
Sounds good in theory, until you realize that to the WWE family entertainment means repeated huge face pushes. Those CAN work provided that the face has some appeal to all segments of the crowd- youngsters, smarks, 18-34 male demographic, maybe women but that's not the first priority. I think if the superface is under 6'4, he should be a chaser. He shouldn't run through all challengers in long title runs otherwise. It's sensible. Funny enough when that happened recently (CM Punk chasing the title with Morrison thwarting him), the majority of people here crapped all over it. I didn't really mind simply because it felt a little more old school. Heels hardly win feuds anymore unless they're just far above the person they're feuding with (Heel Orton going over face Carlito in their feud for example). The other thing is it's very difficult to make a "family friendly" face that caters to all demographics these days. Young guys want their faces to have an edge to them and not seem cheesy, ala Stone Cold. Unfortunately that means cutting off the family friendly part (Stone Cold wasn't too over the top but he did beat people up for no reason, drink, and brag about drinking) |
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Post by bjboston on Nov 15, 2007 15:35:11 GMT -5
I don't know - people got pretty worked up over the "Vince is dead" storyline. There doesn't need to be profanity or blood to push the envelope. I found that story more corny then envelope pushing,but maybe thats just me. People got worked up over it? I always assumed their would be busy taking pot shots at it. Well, KILLING off a character is fairly edgy. I think outrageousness is a good thing. You can be outrageous without swearing or bleeding a lot. |
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 15, 2007 15:38:14 GMT -5
It's hard to rebrand something as "family entertainment" after the disastrous press WWE got this year.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 15, 2007 15:53:10 GMT -5
I found that story more corny then envelope pushing,but maybe thats just me. People got worked up over it? I always assumed their would be busy taking pot shots at it. Well, KILLING off a character is fairly edgy. I think outrageousness is a good thing. You can be outrageous without swearing or bleeding a lot. Outrageousness is a good thing,I'll agree on that,but what is their left to do?! Attempted murder:Rikishi,Black Scorpion,nWo Attempted suicide:Tim White Threatened with animal:Jake the Snake(And he's a good guy!) Nudity:The Kat, Mideon(sorta) Terrorism:Hassan Crucifixion:Raven,Undertaker S&M:Pretty Mean Sisters Forced sex:Brian Pillman Necrophilia:Triple H Gay Marriage:Billy and Chuck(Not really outrageous,just controversial) Use of firearms:Brian Pillman Electricuted:Shane Mcmahon,Abdullah the Butcher Set on fire:Too many On screen vomiting:Ultimate Warrior,Droz Animal abuse:Earthquake,Big Bossman Kidnapping:Undertaker,XPWs own Pogo the Clown,Roddy Piper Seriously,what is left? |
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Post by plushtar on Nov 15, 2007 15:55:07 GMT -5
Family entertainment would work if we could bring back guys like Nailz, Slick, and the Rougeaus.
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Post by bjboston on Nov 15, 2007 15:56:06 GMT -5
I know it will never happen, but I'd love a steroids angle. WWE is great at taking real life things and turning them into stories. Instead of avoiding the steroid subject, why not make it part of the story so people don't know what's real and what's not? |
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 15, 2007 16:05:27 GMT -5
I know it will never happen, but I'd love a steroids angle. WWE is great at taking real life things and turning them into stories. Instead of avoiding the steroid subject, why not make it part of the story so people don't know what's real and what's not? Bwahahahahaha!! That would be great,I too would love to see that!! Maybe 5-10 years down the line,but certainly not now. WWE has enough problems as it is! LOL |
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Post by PTBartman on Nov 15, 2007 16:08:16 GMT -5
"It seems today that all you see is violence in movies and sex on TV. But, where are those good ol’ fashioned values on which we used to rely?" That's all I have to say to this topic, other than I don't think the promotion would survive with that kind of booking anymore. Beautiful man. It made me f'n cry. |
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Post by Lino on Nov 15, 2007 17:37:30 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one who thinks WWE should be more family oriented. But seriously, the most fun I get outta watching wrestling nowadays is through guys like Santino, Hornswoggle, Deuce n Domino, Jim Duggan, and John Morrison. I highly doubt a character like CM Punk would be over in the 80s. If you want serious-ass wrestling, then go watch Ring of Honor.
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Post by WhiteFu on Nov 16, 2007 14:34:08 GMT -5
I really don't see the problem with the occasional cartoony gimmick.
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Post by joeman on Nov 16, 2007 14:37:13 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can say RAW is kid-friendly when you have guys kissing other people's asses, divas searches and gimmick matches, cursing by faces, and occasional bleeding during matches.
That said, I think they are fine with the content of the show. I don't think they should push the envelop anymore and instead they should focus on building up feuds better.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 16, 2007 14:51:26 GMT -5
I don't see how anyone can say RAW is kid-friendly when you have guys kissing other people's asses, divas searches and gimmick matches, cursing by faces, and occasional bleeding during matches. That said, I think they are fine with the content of the show. I don't think they should push the envelop anymore and instead they should focus on building up feuds better. Compared to XPW and ECW,I'll say RAW is VERY friendly to the family. They've toned down Val Venis' porn star character, their is little to no blood(Watch Bill Alfonso vs Beulah,and tell me with a straight face that RAW is violent),no cheese graters,no knives,no fire(except Kane)half-baked pseudo nudity that would barely get PG-13, no F-bomb tirades,no child predators(XPWs Pogo the Clown),no house invasions(Lizzy Borden). RAW's about as family friendly as you can get nowadays. |
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